have at it..video clip

[wenshu]

Actually, I wasn't stating that one should assume street thugs to be unskilled. Simply that opportunities of effectively applying Americana/figure-four locks in an MMA type setting against well-versed grapplers may not statistically present themselves as often as on the street.

I like where your head's at.

The insistence upon the very only bestest mostingly effectivist technique always ever all the time around here gets kind of ridiculous.

[LaRoux]

I like where your head's at.

The insistence upon the very only bestest mostingly effectivist technique always ever all the time around here gets kind of ridiculous.

Yeah, why use only highly effective techniques when you can use much less effective ones instead and hope that the opponent is relatively clueless.

[mickey]

Greetings,

Vernon:

I have absolutely nothing against ANY kind of lock done in a street situation if the opportunity presents itself to do so or if there is a need to do it. The issue with the OP is not the lock at all. It is how the OP arrived at it. I have watched this thread meander to the effectiveness of a lock or a backfist. The problem is the series of movement. It is flawed.


mickey

[MightyB]

I like where your head's at.

The insistence upon the very only bestest mostingly effectivist technique always ever all the time around here gets kind of ridiculous.

One day someone's going to pull it off probably using a technique similar in concept to what YKW was trying to explain in his clip (you pull, I push) and then more peeps will start using the "Americana" as a take down and people like LeRoux will swear up and down that it's one of their approved proven techniques.

meh

[MightyB]

Aikido isn't on my high list, but just f**k'n around one night in Judo, I did a something similar to this, but with intention and it completely floored the guy (circular stepped outside his initial grip, grabbed his wrist, turned hard and to the side, used my other grip for leverage, and lo-and-behold, the technique worked ). Conceptually, it's not far off from an Americana. Someone WILL pull it off in a spectacular way someday, others will follow.

[wenshu]

Yeah, why use only highly effective techniques when you can use much less effective ones instead and hope that the opponent is relatively clueless.

Yeah, why perpetuate your inferiority complex by perseverating about ineffective techniques on a message board for a marginal, historically diluted, outdated style when you could just admit to yourself that you're never going to amount to anything more than a mediocre martial artist and thats okay because it doesn't matter that you'll never be a champion, you can still train, be safe and have fun.

[MightyB]

Yeah, why perpetuate your inferiority complex by perseverating about ineffective techniques on a message board for a marginal, historically diluted, outdated style when you could just admit to yourself that you're never going to amount to anything more than a mediocre martial artist and thats okay because it doesn't matter that you'll never be a champion, you can still train, be safe and have fun.

We should start a support group.

"Hi, my name is Kurt and I'm a mediocre martial artist and that's ok".

[TenTigers]

"Hi Kurt!"

[David Jamieson]

There's no such thing as a mediocre martial artist.

You are either able, or unable.

[wenshu]

There's no such thing as a mediocre martial artist.

You are either able, or unable.

[Yum Cha]

Is that your Mother, she looks VERY strong!

[Lucas]

Aikido isn't on my high list, but just f**k'n around one night in Judo, I did a something similar to this, but with intention and it completely floored the guy (circular stepped outside his initial grip, grabbed his wrist, turned hard and to the side, used my other grip for leverage, and lo-and-behold, the technique worked ). Conceptually, it's not far off from an Americana. Someone WILL pull it off in a spectacular way someday, others will follow.

don't you love it when some guys heads explode when they see an 'impossible' technique working in a match...then it becoming more common place. like how mma comentators **** themselves when head kick KO's started coming out often, cuz 'thats dangerous, low percentage stuff'

remember the old proponents of 'never kick above the waist' LOL now you get head kick KOs on a regular basis.

if i train the **** out of something thats medium percentage, then it can very well become high percentage for me. especially under the circumstances that most sport guys will never train the reversal/reaction/defense against things that are 'not possible'

[Kellen Bassette]

One day someone's going to pull it off probably using a technique similar in concept to what YKW was trying to explain in his clip (you pull, I push) and then more peeps will start using the "Americana" as a take down and people like LeRoux will swear up and down that it's one of their approved proven techniques.

meh

You mean like side kick, cross kick or jump front kick? Remember when none of that stuff worked, but for some reason it does now?

[Lucas]

i remember watching peoples brains ooze out their ears when cung le got his first body side/back kick tko

[Kellen Bassette]

i remember watching peoples brains ooze out their ears when cung le got his first body side/back kick tko

Of course that combo will never work, if you never train it. Funny how the percentages start to rise when you actually train the stuff....