YGKYM Development

[SwanseaMike]

Hi,
I was wondering, for those people who feel that there is merit in practicing the YGKYM in isolation, especially as a beginner, what are the main things one should be focusing on.
Or put another way, How do people practice YGKYM as a solo drill?

When I practice my stance I concentrate on finding the center of my feet and trying to vertically align this with the crown of the head. Gently reach the crown up and naturally release the tailbone down. Then try to relax the body as much as possible. I then spend my time trying to hold my awareness of my vertical mother-line. This makes the practice a focusing exercise building a strong mental awareness of my mother-line that carries over into forms and two man drills.
(I have been shown other ways to practice that use strong contractions in the legs, ribs etc, but no longer practice this way regularly)


Also, what are considered the bench marks of progress that indicate that one’s isolated stance training is progressing sufficiently enough to get all of its solo development through Siu Lim Tau practice?

Thanks
Mike

[guy b.]

Hi,
I was wondering, for those people who feel that there is merit in practicing the YGKYM in isolation, especially as a beginner, what are the main things one should be focusing on.
Or put another way, How do people practice YGKYM as a solo drill?

When I practice my stance I concentrate on finding the center of my feet and trying to vertically align this with the crown of the head. Gently reach the crown up and naturally release the tailbone down. Then try to relax the body as much as possible. I then spend my time trying to hold my awareness of my vertical mother-line. This makes the practice a focusing exercise building a strong mental awareness of my mother-line that carries over into forms and two man drills.
(I have been shown other ways to practice that use strong contractions in the legs, ribs etc, but no longer practice this way regularly)


Also, what are considered the bench marks of progress that indicate that one’s isolated stance training is progressing sufficiently enough to get all of its solo development through Siu Lim Tau practice?

Thanks
Mike

Mike, try and work towards holding this kind of position for at least an hour. Enlightenment will then grip you and you will be able to move towards starting SNT proper with a bit more work:

[SwanseaMike]

Mike, try and work towards holding this kind of position for at least an hour. Enlightenment will then grip you and you will be able to move towards starting SNT proper with a bit more work:

Thanks guy b,

I can hold ygkym quite comfortably for an hour, but "state of infinite potential" is harder as my conditioned mind still creates the illusion that it's perception is real.


I asked the questions to try and learn more about the process of Gung development from my peers and hopefully encourage some of the more skilled/knowledgeable practitioners to share a little of their insight/process. I know that this is not what many people practice these days and I am aware that many see no merit in it. For me, the purpose of this thread is to gain the insight of those who do.

Kind Regards

Mike

p.s.
Kind of ironic you would post a picture of a yogi as a p**s take

[Hendrik]

I post this in Chinese so that people don't read it as I tell people they don't do Wck.

Core keys you need to know is here.


http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ccw...unerascwcykwaa

[WC1277]

Hi,
I was wondering, for those people who feel that there is merit in practicing the YGKYM in isolation, especially as a beginner, what are the main things one should be focusing on.
Or put another way, How do people practice YGKYM as a solo drill?

When I practice my stance I concentrate on finding the center of my feet and trying to vertically align this with the crown of the head. Gently reach the crown up and naturally release the tailbone down. Then try to relax the body as much as possible. I then spend my time trying to hold my awareness of my vertical mother-line. This makes the practice a focusing exercise building a strong mental awareness of my mother-line that carries over into forms and two man drills.
(I have been shown other ways to practice that use strong contractions in the legs, ribs etc, but no longer practice this way regularly)


Also, what are considered the bench marks of progress that indicate that one’s isolated stance training is progressing sufficiently enough to get all of its solo development through Siu Lim Tau practice?

Thanks
Mike

http://chisao.com/archives/64

Ho Kam Ming gives some good basic insights in the first section of the article. Maybe if you have follow up questions it would be easier to answer so as not to have to write a novel!

[Hendrik]

Good info!
Thanks!

http://chisao.com/archives/64

Ho Kam Ming gives some good basic insights in the first section of the article. Maybe if you have follow up questions it would be easier to answer so as not to have to write a novel!

[SwanseaMike]

http://chisao.com/archives/64

Ho Kam Ming gives some good basic insights in the first section of the article. Maybe if you have follow up questions it would be easier to answer so as not to have to write a novel!

Thanks this is really good.

What is happening when the feet "burn", what is this an indication of and is the feet aching the same thing, If the rest of the body is still comfortable?

Do the toes grip the ground in SLT training or is this only done in responce to external force acting on the body?

Thanks

[Hendrik]

That is stress in the feel, long term will cause tear and wear on feet joints.

Thanks this is really good.

What is happening when the feet "burn", what is this an indication of and is the feet aching the same thing, If the rest of the body is still comfortable?

Thanks

[SwanseaMike]

I post this in Chinese so that people don't read it as I tell people they don't do Wck.

Core keys you need to know is here.


http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ccw...unerascwcykwaa

Thanks Hendrik,
Unfortunately for me I don't read Chinese.

[SwanseaMike]

That is stress in the feel, long term will cause tear and wear on feet joints.

Thanks, what do you suggest as the remedy to the feet aching from prolonged stance work?

[Hendrik]

Try this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIKXjq...%3DIaIKXjqLYlo

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/121501202


It a whole body deal. Not feet only, One can stand an hour feel like levitate and sleep in it.

Thanks, what do you suggest as the remedy to the feet aching from prolonged stance work?

[Hendrik]

Where do you live?

[SwanseaMike]

Try this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IaIKXjq...%3DIaIKXjqLYlo

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/121501202


It a whole body deal. Not feet only, One can stand an hour feel like levitate and sleep in it.

Thanks,
I am based in the UK.

Actually the ache in the feet came about when practicing basic dan chi sao roll. Trying to work on keeping the feet perfectly balanced on the center and allowing the body to compress naturally in response to the training partners force.

I don't really have any problem standing in YGKYM for extended periods of time. I had a phase of doing 1hrs twice a day as an experiement and this improved my endurance for this type of practice. I found in the end that I seem to get more stance work done with SLT as the subtle levers, twist and counter motions help work the stance control better. Now, I try to do a 30ish minute long form every day.
I am just trying to nail down clear bench marks of development and progress.
I have loads to learn and develop but am not, perhaps, a complete beginner to Wing Chun. For me it is really helpful to hear a senior explain something, as their experience and insight can and often does throw new light on to things that I am practicing myself. Some times a whole new way of looking at something that perhaps I took for granted gets illustrated and refreshed. Other time something that I was completely unaware of gets pointed out and a new phase of learning begins.
Of course direct contact with a Sifu is best, but unfortunately for me my Sifu of choice is not based in the UK and travel is not possible at this time.
Mike

[Hendrik]

Understood.
thanks for the details exolanation!

Thanks,
I am based in the UK.

Actually the ache in the feet came about when practicing basic dan chi sao roll. Trying to work on keeping the feet perfectly balanced on the center and allowing the body to compress naturally in response to the training partners force.

I don't really have any problem standing in YGKYM for extended periods of time. I had a phase of doing 1hrs twice a day as an experiement and this improved my endurance for this type of practice. I found in the end that I seem to get more stance work done with SLT as the subtle levers, twist and counter motions help work the stance control better. Now, I try to do a 30ish minute long form every day.
I am just trying to nail down clear bench marks of development and progress.
I have loads to learn and develop but am not, perhaps, a complete beginner to Wing Chun. For me it is really helpful to hear a senior explain something, as their experience and insight can and often does throw new light on to things that I am practicing myself. Some times a whole new way of looking at something that perhaps I took for granted gets illustrated and refreshed. Other time something that I was completely unaware of gets pointed out and a new phase of learning begins.
Of course direct contact with a Sifu is best, but unfortunately for me my Sifu of choice is not based in the UK and travel is not possible at this time.
Mike

[guy b.]

Thanks guy b,

I can hold ygkym quite comfortably for an hour, but "state of infinite potential" is harder as my conditioned mind still creates the illusion that it's perception is real.


I asked the questions to try and learn more about the process of Gung development from my peers and hopefully encourage some of the more skilled/knowledgeable practitioners to share a little of their insight/process. I know that this is not what many people practice these days and I am aware that many see no merit in it. For me, the purpose of this thread is to gain the insight of those who do.

I think practicing ygkym as a kind of standing post exercise can be risky and/or a complete waste of time for a beginner. This can be better addressed via systems that specialise in it and know the pitfalls to avoid. I believe standing addresses some important things but why do it without guidance?

With wing chun just follow the wing chun curriculum of your teacher. If they do include standing post then good for you