The problem with BJJ techniques

[Blacktiger]

http://www.alljujitsu.com/brazilianj...echniques.html

I just came across this fire cracker...

Sure you need to mix it up but just Japanese Judo?

My vibe is that the whole BJJ thing was tested time and time again in open challenge matches against anyone, you can see the clips from the old days on YT.

Thoughts...

[YouKnowWho]

Anytime you go for the opponent’s legs, you have no choice but to expose your head, neck and spine.

If you train SC/Judo/wrestling and learn your "leg skill", you don't have to use your hands to go for your opponent's legs. You can use your right leg to hook your opponent's

1. left leg from outside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNtVlKPjcSA

2. left leg from inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYtwYH1ZMg

3. right leg from inside:

http://cdn2.judoinfo.com/images/anim...kouchigari.htm

4. right leg from outside:

http://cdn2.judoinfo.com/images/anim.../osotogari.htm

[Frost]

Lol so many problems with this article its not funny

Firstly BJJ takedowns mainly require both hands on the legs exposing yourself to strikes???? WHF?? Has he ever actually watched Royce rickson royler or any other BJJ blackbelt doing take downs, they suck at low shots and their main takedowns are body lock and dump or bodylock and trip takedowns, all great for the street, its wrestlers who normally actually shoot for the legs and good luck picking them apart with strikes as they go through you and end up spiking you on your head its all about momentum. As for the whole devastating stikes to the spine and back of the head, they were legal in both the early pride matches and UFCs, not to mention the valetudo in brazil and people still got taken down

Secondly the guard.....why does everyone look at Royce in the early UFCs and assume what he did is what every single BJJ blackbelt does in a street fight:, go watch any rickson match for an example of how to use BJJ on the street, clinch to strikes and if that doesn’t finish him sweep/throw to mount to ground and pound...the guard is the best position to be in on your back, nowhere does anyone in BJJ say its the best position to be in on the ground, thats simply misinformed rubbish from guys like this who don’t know what they are talking about and are trying to sell a product which iasnt BJJ
People still use the gaurd in MMA because gasp if you are on your back its better to have your legs between you and your opponent and keeping his weight off you than have him in mount pounding your face or in side control elbowing you to pieces, the gaurd allows you to disrpute his balance and also allows you to attack him, for every UFC match where the guy eats shots from the guard you see two matches where he manages to sweep and get back up, or submit the guy or atleast nullify the shots enough to not take too much damage

As for the whole knife thing, at least on the ground you can control his movement and restrict what his arms do, standing unless you have a good clinch game you are going to get cut as well. Heck anywhere you are going to get cut and stabbed, most people have a clue about standing fighting so give them a knife standing and they will hurt you, almost no one understands ground fighting unless you have actually done it, so that might actually give you an advantage against someone with a knife, would i choice to go to the ground no, but if im there i might have a change to surviving because i actually know what to do down there

To be honest that whole page reads like something from the late 90’s, i thought the martial arts world had moved on from this rubbish

[MightyB]

The only problem with BJJ nowadays is that it is becoming overspecialized, but that's true of every art. If you go back and watch the early stuff, it's just old school Judo, but new Judo isn't Judo if that's where you think my thought is going, because new Judo is overspecialized for sport too. There's a lot in BJJ to like, so there's no need to hate on it. Is it the cat's butt? In some ways yes, some ways no. The beauty is now we have a lot of choices and exposure to styles and things so we can tailor training to how we want to fight.

[MightyB]

This is what Judo used to look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQ7AVtcwec

It is pure and plain Judo. Nothing special.

[MightyB]

Now look at the clip I just posted and a few of its associated clips and compare that to the Jiu Jitsu you see today. BJJ is definitely evolving. There's some negatives associated with that evolution because the early stuff was Judo for Vale Tudo, the new high level stuff is BJJ for BJJ tournaments. Nothing wrong with that, and I maintain that the best groundfighters will always be BJJ players, but they aren't unbeatable in a full contact MMA situation if you know the basics and don't make stupid mistakes.

[sanjuro_ronin]

This is what Judo used to look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQ7AVtcwec

It is pure and plain Judo. Nothing special.

Kosen Judo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdrFg--suFE

[Kymus]

The only problem with BJJ nowadays is that it is becoming overspecialized

Can you elaborate?

[MightyB]

Can you elaborate?

Get a subscription to a Jiu Jitsu magazine. It's no secret, a lot of high level BJJers discuss this stuff regularly. That's why there's this trend to get back to the self defense roots of BJJ. Read the trade rags. There's a lot of Gi Jiu Jitsu moves that only work in their competitive environment under certain rules. Same can be said of any martial art though.

[MightyB]

Can you elaborate?

So I guess this would be the root of your question and the answer:

If he fought a judo match under the Japanese rule, Yamaguchi is superior to Helio both in Tachi-waza and Newaza. But under the Brazilian rule, if Helio got pinned on the ground, all he has to do is to stay calm and be cautious not to get caught in a choke or joint lock, and remain still till the time runs out. Helio could fight to a draw in this way. If he used this tactics, it would be difficult for Yamaguchi to make Helio surrender.

A lot of the really old school Judoka (60 plus yrs of age guys) have low opinions of BJJ because they feel the BJJers gave up on Tachi-waza. The typical response in class to "what should we do if we have fight a BJJer?" was "slam them on their head".

[Dragonzbane76]

Haters be hatin. I was going to say the 90's called but someone beat me to it

[lance]

http://www.alljujitsu.com/brazilianj...echniques.html

I just came across this fire cracker...

Sure you need to mix it up but just Japanese Judo?

My vibe is that the whole BJJ thing was tested time and time again in open challenge matches against anyone, you can see the clips from the old days on YT.

Thoughts...

Blacktiger , YouKnowWho is right about , what he said about BJJ techniques . For me my opinion towards grappling is that it ' s mainly used for tournament competitions . But for street fighting I would ' nt recommend it . If I were to just grapple with my opponent on the streets , chances are it ' ll turn into a chess game and it would not end , unless I break his leg or arm , when the moment arises . I ' m more of a standing up striker , I would wait until the opponent reaches for my leg while , I make a move by stepping back , then from there I would hold his head down and from there move in on the opponent .

When I talk about chess game I mean you apply a move to lock your opponent , and your opponent does the samething to you , to me it ' s all wasted energy right there , I would rather just knock the opponent out when I have the chance or hurt him , then I can survive the situation .

Because you can apply a grappling lock on your opponent to control him , but how far are going , sooner or later your opponent is going to try another move to get out of it . I would just try to knock him out or break his arm . If my opponent is threathened by the way I lock him up , and walks away then it ' s okay . But what if the opponent tries to retaliate against me . So that ' s why I ' m not in favor of BJJ . I would just use the BJJ techniques to hurt the opponent .

And what if you were surrounded by multiple opponent the BJJ techniques would 'nt work , so that ' s where the striking arts come into place . to some people fighting multiple opponents may seem crazy and stupid , but what if it happens to any of us ? I would just go into the domino strategy , where you deal with the first opponent you block his punch if he throws a punch at your face , instead of moving in when you can get hit by the 2nd opponnent , you simply control the body of the first opponent and drag the body of the first opponent into the attacking path of the 2nd opponent , and so on . If you can find a weapon of anything then use it , it ' s simply your own life your trying to save . But there are other ways too to deal with multiple opponents , but I ' ll let you people figure it out .

[Frost]

Blacktiger , YouKnowWho is right about , what he said about BJJ techniques . For me my opinion towards grappling is that it ' s mainly used for tournament competitions . But for street fighting I would ' nt recommend it . If I were to just grapple with my opponent on the streets , chances are it ' ll turn into a chess game and it would not end , unless I break his leg or arm , when the moment arises . I ' m more of a standing up striker , I would wait until the opponent reaches for my leg while , I make a move by stepping back , then from there I would hold his head down and from there move in on the opponent .

When I talk about chess game I mean you apply a move to lock your opponent , and your opponent does the samething to you , to me it ' s all wasted energy right there , I would rather just knock the opponent out when I have the chance or hurt him , then I can survive the situation .

Because you can apply a grappling lock on your opponent to control him , but how far are going , sooner or later your opponent is going to try another move to get out of it . I would just try to knock him out or break his arm . If my opponent is threathened by the way I lock him up , and walks away then it ' s okay . But what if the opponent tries to retaliate against me . So that ' s why I ' m not in favor of BJJ . I would just use the BJJ techniques to hurt the opponent .

And what if you were surrounded by multiple opponent the BJJ techniques would 'nt work , so that ' s where the striking arts come into place . to some people fighting multiple opponents may seem crazy and stupid , but what if it happens to any of us ? I would just go into the domino strategy , where you deal with the first opponent you block his punch if he throws a punch at your face , instead of moving in when you can get hit by the 2nd opponnent , you simply control the body of the first opponent and drag the body of the first opponent into the attacking path of the 2nd opponent , and so on . If you can find a weapon of anything then use it , it ' s simply your own life your trying to save . But there are other ways too to deal with multiple opponents , but I ' ll let you people figure it out .

you really...and i mean really need to do some grappling

[lance]

you really...and i mean really need to do some grappling

Well , you ' re entitled to your own opinion , frost . I did grappling , but not the way you people do it . I don ' t play chess game like you people do , I would rather just submit the person and that ' s it .

[Frost]

Well , you ' re entitled to your own opinion , frost . I did grappling , but not the way you people do it . I don ' t play chess game like you people do , I would rather just submit the person and that ' s it .

nope im quite sure you have never grappled in the same way i or others have thats for sure