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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    His respond was, "Who care about power?" He became a TKD performer soon after that.
    At least he was honest...
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Me too. I never was able to use ball of foot roundhouse kick. Well, I used it once effectively for real with shoes on. In that case, it was actually the toe of the shoe that made contact. And it wasn't a high kick but around his solar plexus. It worked effectively because he was in too close for an instep kick, and it had more penetration.
    I never liked it because I would jam my toes...you got to be just right with the angle, but as you said I've done better with shoes on and hitting with the toe...I really don't use it anymore....
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    To be honest, I believe it was between TKD roundhouse kick and MT round house kick. I don't like the TKD round house kick that kick with the ball of the foot. I like to kick with my instep (back then, you won't get a score in Karate tournament. They soon changed that). The MT roundhouse kick is a pure "body pull the leg". As you have stated, it messes up the flow of Chinese forms and I agree with you 100% on that.

    I still remembered that when I changed my TKD roundhouse kick to the MT roundhouse kick, I discussed it with a local TKD instructor (he became the local communist party leader). His respond was, "Who care about power?" He became a TKD performer soon after that.
    Why do you have to put a label on it?

    Doesn't your background allow for a range of power generation methods and striking methods?

    Chinese round punch can be with fist but also with forearm using full "body pull the arm" power. Don't you just look at round kick the same way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Why do you have to put a label on it?
    I did back then but not any more. I just explain my evolution path. You are absolutely right. The roundhouse kick just like the haymaker. Both use the same principle - body pull the limb.

    This was the guy (Sandy Nash) who I learned TKD kicks from. He also learned long fist from me.

    http://imageshack.us/a/img407/4960/ehpj.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    Some of it isn't bad, but since I train in other things it looks like the way they do it wastes too much time. The push hands stuff looked pretty neat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    That was the best Taiji application clip that I have seen. It was part of the 24 short Taiji form DVD. The counter of the "firemen's carry" at 2.41 is similar to the following clip. Both are too fancy to be realistic IMO. I'll call both "demo techniques".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3BTv...ature=youtu.be

    That's the "leg moves" that I was talking about. With the "leg moves" been added in, the application become much more powerful.
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    aplication video

    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    I saw that video before. Nice!
    I noticed he goes under the arm for part horse's mane take-down. I learned 2 ways for this take-down (under and over) but prefer the 2nd way. I prefer to go over the top, maybe because of my height, it feels more natural. the arm that does not grab finds the target to be the chest or the throat (usually throat.) and I pull the arm that I grab to my abdomen, locking it. Any thoughts/ comments about these 2 approaches?

    I liked the white crane flaps wings and the golden rooster applications on the video too. I like to add a palm strike to the temple on those techniques (not shown on video)- the high block already gets you on the inside & all u have to do is come down w/ a nice cun jing (inch energy) open palm strike.
    Any thoughts/ feedback? Thanks,
    -Matt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarathonTmatt View Post
    I learned 2 ways for this take-down (under and over) but prefer the 2nd way. ... Any thoughts/ comments about these 2 approaches?
    If your arm is

    1. under your opponent's arm, it's called "撞(Zhuang) - trunk hitting (diagonal fly)". When you do that, your eyes should look at your back arm control hand because you may need to use the side of your head to push on your opponent's chest "forward".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R3yKA-qNRA

    When you do that, it's better to use your leading leg to "hook'" your opponent's back leg so it will be hard for him to escape.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHiy9TH1pU

    2. over your opponent's arm, it's called "靠(Kao) - advance squeeze (wild horse part mane)". When you do that, your eyes should look at your front neck striking hand because you may need to use it to push your opponent's head "sideway".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30dGKyG39nU

    Most of the time, you will start with a palm strike to the back of your opponent's head. When he drops his head and dodges it, you then follow with this move.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvB7JY7rmv4

    In both applications, it's better to move your back leg to generate your body momentum when you apply this move.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qVSX4M_Sw

    Unfortunately this extra "back leg forward stepping" is missing in the Yang taiji form. In the Yang form, you only move your leading leg. This just doesn't generate enough body momentum to make this technique work.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7qVSX4M_Sw

    Unfortunately this extra "back leg forward stepping" is missing in the Yang taiji form. In the Yang form, you only move your leading leg. This just doesn't generate enough body momentum to make this technique work.
    I can see how Sun Lutang would utilize this per Sun variation, where stepping up is a major maneuver strategy!

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    Depending on the circumstances, and on how it is taught, I think you will find that Tai Chi has quite a lot of grappling and submission techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FullPotentialMA View Post
    Depending on the circumstances, and on how it is taught, I think you will find that Tai Chi has quite a lot of grappling and submission techniques.
    If we define

    - 散手跤(Sanshou Jiao) as face to face take downs, and
    - 接体跤(Jieti Jiao) as back to chest throws,

    Taiji has "散手跤(Sanshou Jiao) take downs" but doesn't have "接体跤(Jieti Jiao) throws".

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    If we define

    - 散手跤(Sanshou Jiao) as face to face take downs, and
    - 接体跤(Jieti Jiao) as back to chest throws,

    Taiji has "散手跤(Sanshou Jiao) take downs" but doesn't have "接体跤(Jieti Jiao) throws".

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    I have to agree for the most part with the exception of Yang's 抱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan (Carry Tiger Back to Mountain)). Other than that one, I can't think of another techinique that does the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fa Xing View Post
    I have to agree for the most part with the exception of Yang's 抱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan (Carry Tiger Back to Mountain)). Other than that one, I can't think of another techinique that does the same.
    The Yang Taiji

    - 抱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - Carry Tiger Back to Mountain) should be
    - 饱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - "Well Fed" Tiger Back to Mountain).

    It was the move after the "cross Taiji" and before the "wade off". This was a mistake made many years ago by many Taiji people from the YCF line.

    Does the following move looks like 饱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - Well Fed Tiger Back to Mountain) - a tiger turns to it's right, start moves it's right front foot, moves it's left front foot, ...?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVS25-xqm4Q
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The Yang Taiji

    - 抱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - Carry Tiger Back to Mountain) should be
    - 饱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - "Well Fed" Tiger Back to Mountain).

    It was the move after the "cross Taiji" and before the "wade off". This was a mistake made many years ago by many Taiji people from the YCF line.

    Does the following move looks like 饱虎歸山 (Bao Hu Gui Shan - Well Fed Tiger Back to Mountain) - a tiger turns to it's right, start moves it's right front foot, moves it's left front foot, ...?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVS25-xqm4Q
    I think that looks pretty good to me. That is your Late teacher, if I'm not mistaken?

    I am aware that the Yang's made a lot of interesting changes, and often I have wondered as some have suggested if it had to do with improper spelling or a need to separate from the Chens. As well as Yang Cheng Fu, who taught Taiji to many people in many different ways. I have seen various differences in the way YCF Taiji is performed depending on who taught it.

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