Greetings,
Frost,
Let us look at the wrist roller. It can be used for strength development as we all know. But if I use that same session to mentally train grabbing and twisting with that device while still being progressive with strength training modalities, there is no loss in either.
mickey
The answer to your question is very simple. We don't have training partner 24/7. When we train at home along, we can use special weight equipments to simulate our training partners and get the most benefit out of it.
When I
- do my bench press, I feel guilty because I think I'm just doing it for my "health".
- twist my water container, I don't feel guilty becuse I know I'm training for my "combat".
I'm not a "training TCMA for health" person. I do value "combat development" to have much higher priority than my "health maintence". The day that I can replace my long distance running with my zigzag footwork training,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGxptvJlubY
the day that I'll have no more "guilty" feeling. I haven't tried to use that footwork to finish 4 miles yet.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 07-25-2013 at 12:37 AM.
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Agree! I just don't have enough self-motivation to repeat my hip throw 1000 times none stop in order to make my heart to beat fast. So far, long distance runnng is the only way that work for my aerobic.
If I can find any combat training that can be used to replace my distance running, I will.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 07-24-2013 at 08:01 PM.
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More opinion -> more argument
Less opinion -> less argument
No opinion -> no argument
there is only 1 way to simulate actual combat: that is with a partner and actually doing the sport/art, everything else is just general training, unless you are being attacked by a water container it is not the same as actual combat, it does not move as your opponent does, it does not react as he does it does not make you respond as you would in a fight
basic weight training allows you to work the muscles used in combat and overload them to make them stronger, you then do the actual art/sport to make that general strength more sports specific
that example is an isolated movement training a specific muscle, using the same method just a different intent
we are talking about replacing general compound movements: squat bench deadlift with sports like movements, pulley throws, water container moving (apparently)
so your example doesnt really fit
Greetings,
There were some absolute statements made about strength training (there was no differentiation between compound and isolated) and martial training in this thread, as if there were two distinct areas of focus. My example proves otherwise. It is the mental objective of the practitioner that blows that argument to hell and this has already been politely stated.
mickey
actually to quote the first response to this thread
"Normal, ie" general strength training, strengthens to WHOLE of your body as a unit, which in short HELPS with specific strength training.[/QUOTE]"
and on the second page
"A CLassical STRENGTH one tends to focus on heavy COMPOUND moves that work the whole of the body AND the CNS. "
if you dont think we are talking about compound and not isolated lifts...when several posters also mentioned the deadlift (a compound lift) then well lord
knows what you are reading
and your point still doesnt stand because its the same exercise with a different mental exercise, its not like the example YKW used of benching and moving a water container is it......
Hello Frost,
I am responding to this statement made by sanjuro ronin:
"Strength training has NOTHING to do with combat/fighting training.
ZERO."
It was in response to a statement made by YKW with regard to his mindset with a particular exercise.
It really caught my attention because things are not that black and white. My posts addressed that.
mickey
I agree that things aren't so black and white BUT the reality is that ST has nothing to do with combat training, if it did then the strongest would be the best fighters WITHOUT having to fight.
NOTHING build overall strength better than compound moves with progressive resistance, examples being power lifting and Olympic lifting and strong man competitions where the strongest people in the world are.
This has been proven over and over that is truly a fact that is undisputed.
Yet none of that directly translated to fighting prowess.
The guy with the biggest numbers on the bench press does NOT have much punching power at all UNLESS He is trained to, well, punch.
I know marathon runners and triathletes that gas out in minutes in the ring or on the mat.
NO conditioning training = fighting prowess UNLESS it is directly done while "fighting".
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !