Cirsus of Shaolin or not ?

[kfman5F]

because I already talked about that document 4 5 times, if u tightey whitey shaolin fetish guys didn't listen to it before, why would you listen now?



his book was called NEW METHODS.

You have something against white people Bawang? You must have something missing in your life to continually put others down. You may be educated but you are still a troll. You are no better than anyone else. BTW, there are plenty of lousy Chinese kung fu practicioners.

[bawang]

You have something against white people Bawang? You must have something missing in your life to continually put others down. You may be educated but you are still a troll. You are no better than anyone else. BTW, there are plenty of lousy Chinese kung fu practicioners.

its a method in chan Buddhism to awake you to reality. you wouldn't understand.

[SHemmati]

the poem says shaolin boxing was good, it didn't say it was ancient.

in the mid Ming dynasty, about 1500s, boxing got much popularity. many manuals were written at those times. so, that may delude people to think of mid Ming dynasty as the starting point of boxing.
bear in mind, even many of those manuals track back the styles generation to generation to the Song dynasty (500 years before those times) or even before. even if they've been wrong, that means those styles have at least been a few generations, something like some hundreds of years, older than those times.

[bawang]

in the mid Ming dynasty, about 1500s, many manuals were written. before that time, it seems that writing such manuals has been rare. so, that may delude people to think of mid Ming dynasty as the beginning point of boxing.
bear in mind, even many of those manuals track back the styles generation to generation to the Song dynasty (500 years before those times) or even before. even if they've been wrong, that means those styles have at least been a few generations, something like some hundreds of years, older than those times.

in the yuan dynasty the scholars came in contact with a lot of criminals and poor. so fancy boxing as we know it today was probably formed around 1200.

boxing became popular in china in 1550 and became popular in shaolin in 1600.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

in the yuan dynasty the scholars came in contact with a lot of criminals and poor. so fancy boxing as we know it today was probably formed around 1200.

boxing became popular in china in 1550 and became popular in shaolin in 1600.

You are probably right about that. All the stuff I have seen, that is suppose to be way older than that is ugly and focused on kicking the guys ass, not looking fancy.

[GeneChing]

in the mid Ming dynasty, about 1500s, boxing got much popularity. many manuals were written at those times. so, that may delude people to think of mid Ming dynasty as the starting point of boxing.

Well, a major factor here is that print publishing became more readily available during this period. Prior to this, books were predominantly handwritten and literacy was very limited. But China had a renaissance akin to Europe, and suddenly, books - and more importantly gazettes - became accessible to more of the common folk. We don't really know when Kung Fu got formalized. Our opinion is based on evidence in the literature. But it may well be that it was the expansion in literature availability that grew to encompass Kung Fu and that it had been present all along. What we may be seeing is the advancement in records, not the birth of Kung Fu.

[Kellen Bassette]

This monk demonstrates even greater marvels
for in the mountains depths the white monkey has instructed him

The alluding to the White Monkey as a shifu supports my position that Gong Fu actually emigrated to China from Eastern Europe, not India.

I'm taking back Kung Fu for the tightey whiteys.

[GeneChing]

I'm taking back Kung Fu for the tightey whiteys.

Brontosaurus Fu was the progenitor. Tighty whitey eyebrow was a Brontosaurus drop out who went Daoist and then created his own style. That was either in the Song dynasty or the Jurassic era...I can't quite remember which.

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Brontosaurus Fu was the progenitor. Tighty whitey eyebrow was a Brontosaurus drop out who went Daoist and then created his own style. That was either in the Song dynasty or the Jurassic era...I can't quite remember which.

Did I ever mention that I am the only know living Grandmaster of Caveasaurus Combat? It's humanities very first martial art.

Of course, back then there were not many techniques. You only had

1. The "Prehistoric Punch"
2. The Cave Man Kick
3. The Predatorial pounce
4. Pterodactyl toss

and the weapons

1. Cave Man Club
2. Pointy stick


The above bit was first used by me in the mid 1990's on the "Martial arts TOC" BBS board.

[Lucas]

Actually, there are much older records of sword dancing, stuff that predates the 16th.

there's a story from the Records of the Grand Historian. It's said that during the Chu-Han Contention in the late Qin Dynasty, Liu Bang and Xiang Yu met each other in Hongmen. At the banquet, Fan Zeng, an advisor to Xiang Yu, ordered Xiang Zhuang (Xiang Yu’s cousin) to do a sword dance as part of the entertainment and to stab Liu Bang to death during the dance....

only about 1700ish years older lol

[Kellen Bassette]

Brontosaurus Fu was the progenitor.

Much like the Marrow Changing Classic, Brontosaurus was a forgery.

[kfman5F]

its a method in chan Buddhism to awake you to reality. you wouldn't understand.

Chan Buddhism has nothing to do with your racist whitey remarks. But you wouldn't understand.

[GeneChing]

Much like the Marrow Changing Classic, Brontosaurus was a forgery.

The brontosaurus was originally an apatosaurus of the purple robe (Daoist surely, not Buddhist) and there were camarasaurus elements mixed in with the teachings, but despite its mythic origins, what remains is still useful as a means of qigong.

[Kellen Bassette]

The brontosaurus was originally an apatosaurus of the purple robe

So it's like the Shaolin Do of the Dinosaur world?

[Lucas]

rare image of the purple robe apatosaurus