I really enjoyed watching this video, thanks for posting. The dummy drills to help train the techniques you see @4:24ish and earlier, really work IMO. That said I am biased, I love leg techniques.
No, you can "see" when someone is delivering actual power in chi sao or sparring regardless Kevin.
Once again, this back and forth started because I said 'I like that WZP said don't push like 'this' in "practice", focus on releasing your power instead'. That's it. It was a refreshing statement from a line that seems to overuse pushing. The insecure PB crowd had to respond to that statement, as expected, and now, here we are...
WZP looks good to me, but sorry guy b., I had no idea you'd met and trained with my Sifu, Maday Norbert here in Central Europe. When did you meet him, to form this judgement?
Yes, WZP's movement looks very WSL-orientated. So you're saying he is good and his VT looks like WSL lineage... but that he talks bullish*t?
Yes, he looks good to me.
Okay. So who did you learn from, again?
No mocking, tongue-in-cheek signature here... move on.
To go along with BPWT here, you lot (PB boys) cant have it both ways.
ALL of you have commented how much you like his previous clips, that includes you G, yet when he pits up a clip explaining what/why/how he does what he does you start questioning his knowledge and how much he "really" learnt of the WSL way.
FWIW, his explanation is sound to me and actually deals with some of the issues you guys wont or cant answer....
Like how to deal with those pesky arms hey Graham?
I'm not a PB student. I like WZP's wing chun a lot and I'm don't really understand the feud between some forum members and the PB students. FWIW, I think his point about pushing is being overblown. He is saying understand the use of the palm and that it isn't a good idea to rely on pushing or to think that the palm is generally a push. He means in fighting. In drilling or light contact sparring you make light contact with the palm for obvious reasons and sometimes push through to show you are in the correct position. There is also actual pushing, but he isn't talking about that.
His point about judo throws in wing chun? lol
I swear. It's amazing how dense people are. To QUOTE again.
WZP while showing his palm pushing on his partners throat/lower jaw: "It's not pushing. You should always PRACTICE your strength." relating it, by then showing an example, to you should instead be releasing power into the partner. He gives an example of what PB did 20 some odd times in that 1:37 clip, by example, to show what not to do. "It's not pushing him. What if he comes toward me and I cannot push him away?"
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The problem is you don't understand the words that are coming out of his mouth.
He's talking about fighting application. What he says about practice is that "it's good to train your hardness and strength" referring to palm and wrist training so that when you apply your palm strikes you can "severely injure the opponent".
Now, in practice we may push to not break our training partner's jaw or ribs, but he's reminding us to train wrist strength so we don't get hurt and to prefer striking in actual combat to "badly hurt the opponent".
Would you prefer PB broke his student's jaw and shattered his ribs? I'm sure WZP doesn't do that to his.
Seems pretty obvious why there's a feud, some of the PB boys bag anything non-pbvt and the other guys bite back.I'm not a PB student. I like WZP's wing chun a lot and I'm don't really understand the feud between some forum members and the PB students.
I dont have a problem with the push thing, seems to me if you get yourself in a position where you can give the guy a solid push at about 3/4 arm extension, then you could certainly turn that into a punch.FWIW, I think his point about pushing is being overblown. He is saying understand the use of the palm and that it isn't a good idea to rely on pushing or to think that the palm is generally a push. He means in fighting. In drilling or light contact sparring you make light contact with the palm for obvious reasons and sometimes push through to show you are in the correct position. There is also actual pushing, but he isn't talking about that.
It shows youve got the superior position which is a major component of WC IMO.
Ill be honest, i didnt get far enough into it to hear thatHis point about judo throws in wing chun? lol
...........going around in circles not getting anywhere again?