手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch

[YouKnowWho]

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back? Does your punch look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/20/schook.jpg

or look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4671/7zlb.jpg

[-N-]

I don't treat that as a literal absolute, or something to chase after.

But it definately is a good principle to train and make useable.

[David Jamieson]

Not exactly sure what you are onto here.
Care to expand?

[YouKnowWho]

If you are a

- grappler, you want to pull your opponent into you (the counter force can pull you into your opponent) so you can create "clinch" ASAP.
- striker, you want to pull your opponent into your punch to cause a head on collision.

Of course if you just want to throw one punch after another, or you don't know what to do after the pulling, to "pull something back" may have little or no value to you. The issue is when you punch, do you "intend" to pull something back or not?

- What to pull?
- How to pull?
- When to pull?

all have to do with "sensitivity" when your opponent's arm tries to block/deflect your punch.

When you think about your punch like this, your punch is not just like a knife that stab into your opponent's chest but like a fish hook that after stabbing, you pull something out of his body. This is hard to do for if you have gloves on.

[YouKnowWho]

When you pull your hand back, your opponent may punch you at that moment. If you can pull your opponent's arm back, he won't be able to punch you at that moment. Since your arm will make contact on your opponent's arm, it's logical to take advantage on that situation.

http://www.wingchun-kuen.com/forum/f...hread&tid=1547

手不空回，指動作上和力量上，動作上，回是徹，你收回的同時就是對方進攻的時機，如你手是空回，沒有防範意 識的回，對方便容易合你回之力，封鎖你雙手使你綀橋，固此詠春有許多翻手的動作，就是回手時仍然能控制對方 ，配合另一攻擊。
Never come back empty-handed, refers to action Shang and power Shang, action Shang, back is Fletcher, you recovered of while is each other attack of timing, as you hand is empty back, no prevention consciousness of back, each other will easy collection you back of force, blockade you hands make you counsellers bridge, solid this chants spring has many turned hand of action, is turn round and stretch out one ' s hand Shi still can control each other, tie other a attack.

[mickey]

Greetings,

If your hand can kiss your opponent, kiss more. Kiss fully. Kiss passionately. Kiss, kiss, kiss away your opponent's defensive inhibitions. It makes the grope so much more inviting.


mickey

[-N-]

手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back?

Hand not empty return - Don't return empty handed.

Not necessarily in relation to punching or missing a punch. And not absolute as in "never".

I don't treat that as a literal absolute, or something to chase after.

But it definately is a good principle to train and make useable.

Not exactly sure what you are onto here.
Care to expand?

More generalized, don't be focused solely on the intended initial action. You have followup opportunities that should not be wasted.

And if talking about striking, you can parry with one hand, land a back fist with the other, and turn the strike into a neck wrap while the parrying hand underhooks, for example.

[Syn7]

Kind of depends on what you're doing. I'm more of a grappler who likes to strike. I feel more comfortable in a clinch than squaring off, but if I feel I can handle it without grappling, I will. When doubt creeps in, that's when I start thinking more like a grappler. I wish I had learned all I have at the same time, but the timeline has for sure affected how I approach it.

[bawang]

If you are a

- grappler, you want to pull your opponent into you (the counter force can pull you into your opponent) so you can create "clinch" ASAP.
- striker, you want to pull your opponent into your punch to cause a head on collision.

its ridiculous to say a puncher wants to pull the opponent close to you, you begging to get taken down. you draw your punch back like touching fire.

[lance]

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back? Does your punch look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/20/schook.jpg

or look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4671/7zlb.jpg

If I miss my first punch , I ' ll retaliate with the other hand . Or if my first or second punch is being blocked , I would just redirect it .

[YouKnowWho]

I did Google on "手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch" and I find at least 4 TCMA systems has this. It's a quite common principle after all.

1. 吞吐拳 Tun Tu Quan

http://www.chazidian.com/r_ci_ed45c0...9cf391bdb522e/

2. WC

http://www.wingchun-kuen.com/forum/f...hread&tid=1547

3. 万胜拳 Wan Shen Quan

http://baike.baidu.com/view/3069111.htm

4. XingYi

http://www.wulinzhi.com/chinese-trad...ang-style/2797

[mickey]

Greetings,

I find nothing wrong with the saying. Conceptually, it can apply to striking as well; simply stated, "Don't Miss" Fullness is in making contact. Fullness is in dominating your enemy. Fullness is in taking full control of a situation.

In real fighting, why would that strategy come to mind? You are fighting for your life. You have deal with the moment and its VARIABLES.



mickey

[YouKnowWho]

In real fighting, why would that strategy come to mind? You are fighting for your life. You have deal with the moment and its VARIABLES.

One simple reason can be if your opponent's striking skill is better than yours. You are tired of getting hit by his punches.

[tc101]

I did Google on "手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch" and I find at least 4 TCMA systems has this. It's a quite common principle after all.

1. 吞吐拳 Tun Tu Quan

http://www.chazidian.com/r_ci_ed45c0...9cf391bdb522e/

2. WC

http://www.wingchun-kuen.com/forum/f...hread&tid=1547

3. 万胜拳 Wan Shen Quan

http://baike.baidu.com/view/3069111.htm

4. XingYi

http://www.wulinzhi.com/chinese-trad...ang-style/2797

In wing chun the kuit as I learned it was when hand goes out it does not return and this refers to using the extended hand to attempt to further disrupt your opponent by pressing or pulling or jerking him and the tactic is not limited to his arms or his blocks.

[mickey]

YKW wrote:

"One simple reason can be if your opponent's striking skill is better than yours. You are tired of getting hit by his punches."

AGREED

What I meant and did not express well was that you really do not think of these principles when you are dealing. You goal is to survive, not to win.


mickey