手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch

[YouKnowWho]

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back? Does your punch look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/20/schook.jpg

or look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4671/7zlb.jpg

[-N-]

I don't treat that as a literal absolute, or something to chase after.

But it definately is a good principle to train and make useable.

[David Jamieson]

Not exactly sure what you are onto here.
Care to expand?

[YouKnowWho]

If you are a

- grappler, you want to pull your opponent into you (the counter force can pull you into your opponent) so you can create "clinch" ASAP.
- striker, you want to pull your opponent into your punch to cause a head on collision.

Of course if you just want to throw one punch after another, or you don't know what to do after the pulling, to "pull something back" may have little or no value to you. The issue is when you punch, do you "intend" to pull something back or not?

- What to pull?
- How to pull?
- When to pull?

all have to do with "sensitivity" when your opponent's arm tries to block/deflect your punch.

When you think about your punch like this, your punch is not just like a knife that stab into your opponent's chest but like a fish hook that after stabbing, you pull something out of his body. This is hard to do for if you have gloves on.

[YouKnowWho]

When you pull your hand back, your opponent may punch you at that moment. If you can pull your opponent's arm back, he won't be able to punch you at that moment. Since your arm will make contact on your opponent's arm, it's logical to take advantage on that situation.

http://www.wingchun-kuen.com/forum/f...hread&tid=1547

手不空回，指動作上和力量上，動作上，回是徹，你收回的同時就是對方進攻的時機，如你手是空回，沒有防範意 識的回，對方便容易合你回之力，封鎖你雙手使你綀橋，固此詠春有許多翻手的動作，就是回手時仍然能控制對方 ，配合另一攻擊。
Never come back empty-handed, refers to action Shang and power Shang, action Shang, back is Fletcher, you recovered of while is each other attack of timing, as you hand is empty back, no prevention consciousness of back, each other will easy collection you back of force, blockade you hands make you counsellers bridge, solid this chants spring has many turned hand of action, is turn round and stretch out one ' s hand Shi still can control each other, tie other a attack.

[mickey]

Greetings,

If your hand can kiss your opponent, kiss more. Kiss fully. Kiss passionately. Kiss, kiss, kiss away your opponent's defensive inhibitions. It makes the grope so much more inviting.


mickey

[YouKnowWho]

This principle also exists in the XingYi system as well.

http://www.wulinzhi.com/chinese-trad...ang-style/2797

李仲轩 当时对古拳谱“消息全凭后脚蹬＂有了領会，正在揣摩全身整体发力的技巧，打 拳频频发力，很是刚猛，尚云祥打断他，說：“动手可以这样，練拳不是这样。＂ 他說練形意拳时，要如捉虾般，出手的时候很轻快，收手的时候，手上要带着“东西＂回來，这“轻出重收＂四字 便是練拳的口诀，千金不易。

Li understood power came from the heel. When he generated power into his punch, Shang said, "You can do this in fighting but not in training". When you train XingYi Chuan, it's like trying to catch a shrimp. When you strike out, your hand has to be light and fast. When you pull your hand back, you have to bring something back. This kind of "light out heavy back" principle is very important in training.

[-N-]

手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back?

Hand not empty return - Don't return empty handed.

Not necessarily in relation to punching or missing a punch. And not absolute as in "never".

I don't treat that as a literal absolute, or something to chase after.

But it definately is a good principle to train and make useable.

Not exactly sure what you are onto here.
Care to expand?

More generalized, don't be focused solely on the intended initial action. You have followup opportunities that should not be wasted.

And if talking about striking, you can parry with one hand, land a back fist with the other, and turn the strike into a neck wrap while the parrying hand underhooks, for example.

[Syn7]

Kind of depends on what you're doing. I'm more of a grappler who likes to strike. I feel more comfortable in a clinch than squaring off, but if I feel I can handle it without grappling, I will. When doubt creeps in, that's when I start thinking more like a grappler. I wish I had learned all I have at the same time, but the timeline has for sure affected how I approach it.

[bawang]

If you are a

- grappler, you want to pull your opponent into you (the counter force can pull you into your opponent) so you can create "clinch" ASAP.
- striker, you want to pull your opponent into your punch to cause a head on collision.

its ridiculous to say a puncher wants to pull the opponent close to you, you begging to get taken down. you draw your punch back like touching fire.

[-N-]

its ridiculous to say a puncher wants to pull the opponent close to you, you begging to get taken down. you draw your punch back like touching fire.

If all you have is punching, then this is true.

YKW always sets up these either/or questions.

But the reality is that is not the case. He just a bored nice troll.

[bawang]

If all you have is punching, then this is true.

YKW always sets up these either/or questions.

But the reality is that is not the case. He just a bored nice troll.

no, he just honestly doesn't know that much about northern kung fu. these days nobody does, its like bodybuilding, all the magazines and articles are full of lies.

once all the smoke and mirrors go away, you find out kung fu is just kickboxing. for some, it can be a terrifying realization.

when some people throw a jab cross, they no longer "feel" like they are doing kung fu, their mind goes in another mode. when i do jab cross, i feel the same. i do kung fu.

[Bernard]

once all the smoke and mirrors go away, you find out kung fu is just kickboxing. for some, it can be a terrifying realization.

The movements in forms in the many different systems of kung fu don't seem to support the idea that kung fu is just kickboxing. There are many movements that would suggest grappling type movements.

[-N-]

no, he just honestly doesn't know that much about northern kung fu. these days nobody does, its like bodybuilding, all the magazines and articles are full of lies.

People read kung fu magazines???

[YouKnowWho]

its ridiculous to say a puncher wants to pull the opponent close to you, you begging to get taken down. you draw your punch back like touching fire.

It's clear to see that Brendan tried to pull his opponent into him (or pull himself into his opponent) at 1.34, 2.03, 2.06, 2.20, 2.26, 2.29, ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7M7rLxcYg

The following clip is also a good drill to train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2aah2E3EoQ