手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch

[bawang]

The following clip is also a good drill to train.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2aah2E3EoQ

pulling apart the opponents guard is different from pulling him towards you. you are begging to be taken down. in longfist this is called "tiger hug-bull crushes man" 虎抱-卧牛抢背

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Gt_M16lM&t=216

[YouKnowWho]

pulling apart the opponents guard is different from pulling him towards you. you are begging to be taken down. in longfist this is called "tiger hug-bull crushes man" 虎抱-卧牛抢背

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...Gt_M16lM&t=216

You have to use 分手(Fen Shou) to pull your opponent's guard apart in order to enter into his front door. If you pull his one arm to jam his other arm, you can only enter into his side door.

[bawang]

You have to use 分手(Fen Shou) to pull your opponent's guard apart in order to enter into his front door. If you pull his one arm to jam his other arm, you can only enter into his side door.

u enter the door to wrestle FOO

[mickey]

Greetings,

YKW:

I think it would be nice if you would let us know when you are talking sport/drill or serious martial combatives in your initial posts. It creates a lot of confusion for some people.


mickey

[YouKnowWho]

u enter the door to wrestle FOO

Not necessary. If you think

- you are better than your opponent, you try to enter his front door.
- your opponent is better than you, you try to enter his side door.

[YouKnowWho]

I think it would be nice if you would let us know when you are talking sport/drill or serious martial combatives in your initial posts. It creates a lot of confusion for some people.

Since the sport will always have gloves. This strategy won't work well for the sport. So I assume I'm talking about "combat". When you punch and your opponent blocks your punch, you will have 2 options:

- Pull your hand back and try to punch again.
- Pull your opponent's blocking arm and take advantage on it (if you know how to).

When your opponent punches at you, you can block his punch. You then change your blocking into 采手(Cai Shou) and pull his arm back. "Not come back empty-handed after punch" is just more aggressive approach that you initial the punch instead. The concept is the same as 采手(Cai Shou).

[bawang]

When your opponent punches at you, you can block his punch. You then change your blocking into 采手(Cai Shou) and pull his arm back. "Not come back empty-handed after punch" is just more aggressive approach that you initial the punch instead. The concept is the same as 采手(Cai Shou).

an ancient technique to overcome retarded pattycake hand grabbing is the maneuver called "jab-cross". legend says it came from boddhidarma after he turned his curly indian pubes into tea leaves.

jab combine with cross, under heaven no enemy. cross combine with jab, even iron general will fall. ponder upon this deeply, my son.

[YouKnowWho]

"jab-cross".

The jab and cross will still function the same whether you pull something back or not.

Here is another example of pulling after punch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftsM9LSGx-Y

[Kellen Bassette]

Not necessary. If you think

- you are better than your opponent, you try to enter his front door.
- your opponent is better than you, you try to enter his side door.

Basic Shaolin strategy.

[mickey]

Greetings,

One thing that I have to remind myself is that you are coming from a wrestlers perspective, YKW. You need to have contact. When bawang posted that link of that guy getting slammed, it did not communicate well because it was, pretty much, you doing the slamming.

mickey

[lance]

If you miss your punch, do you intend to pull something back? Does your punch look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img195/20/schook.jpg

or look like this?

http://imageshack.us/a/img836/4671/7zlb.jpg

If I miss my first punch , I ' ll retaliate with the other hand . Or if my first or second punch is being blocked , I would just redirect it .

[YouKnowWho]

I did Google on "手不空回 - Never come back empty-handed when you punch" and I find at least 4 TCMA systems has this. It's a quite common principle after all.

1. 吞吐拳 Tun Tu Quan

http://www.chazidian.com/r_ci_ed45c0...9cf391bdb522e/

2. WC

http://www.wingchun-kuen.com/forum/f...hread&tid=1547

3. 万胜拳 Wan Shen Quan

http://baike.baidu.com/view/3069111.htm

4. XingYi

http://www.wulinzhi.com/chinese-trad...ang-style/2797

[mickey]

Greetings,

I find nothing wrong with the saying. Conceptually, it can apply to striking as well; simply stated, "Don't Miss" Fullness is in making contact. Fullness is in dominating your enemy. Fullness is in taking full control of a situation.

In real fighting, why would that strategy come to mind? You are fighting for your life. You have deal with the moment and its VARIABLES.



mickey

[YouKnowWho]

In real fighting, why would that strategy come to mind? You are fighting for your life. You have deal with the moment and its VARIABLES.

One simple reason can be if your opponent's striking skill is better than yours. You are tired of getting hit by his punches.

[MightyB]

Since the sport will always have gloves. This strategy won't work well for the sport. So I assume I'm talking about "combat". When you punch and your opponent blocks your punch, you will have 2 options:

- Pull your hand back and try to punch again.
- Pull your opponent's blocking arm and take advantage on it (if you know how to).

When your opponent punches at you, you can block his punch. You then change your blocking into 采手(Cai Shou) and pull his arm back. "Not come back empty-handed after punch" is just more aggressive approach that you initial the punch instead. The concept is the same as 采手(Cai Shou).

Good description of Northern Mantis Kung Fu.

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You have to intentionally train for this... if people have no interest in trapping hands, then you're wasting your breath trying to talk to them.