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The first clip has Wck in it.
The rest of clip just boxing with Wck technics
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS-PuD3iQiI
In the 1st clip,
- I like the foot sweep at 1.11.
- He tried that at 1.25 again. Even if he didn't sweep his opponent down that time, he had put his opponent in defense mode so his opponent could not punch him at that moment. That served his purpose.
- He used it again at 1.49 and it worked too.
In the 2nd and 3rd clips, it's easy to see that the moment your opponent tries to punch you, the moment that he has to put weight on his leading leg. Since both persons don't train "foot sweep", they won't be able to recognize that opportunity and take advantage on it.
This is a good example that if you have a dependable technique (such as foot sweep), it will work for you for the rest of your life. Sometime you may only pay attention on what you can do with your hands and forget about what you can also do with your legs.
Is "foot sweep" WC skill? Do you care? It's just a tool in your tool box. If you don't have "style boundary" in mind, you will see that TCMA will have a lot to offer (I don't know whether "foot sweep" exists in wrestling).
When your opponent tries to punch you, if you use a 45 degree downward 'haymaker", or a "foot sweep" at his leading leg, most of the time you will interrupt your opponent's attack and put him in defense mode. After that you can attack and do whatever that you would like to do.
IMO, if you train "chain punch", you should also train how to counter "haymaker" and "foot sweep" because that will be the most common respond from your opponent when you apply "chain punches" on him.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-27-2013 at 07:52 PM.
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1st clip - the alledged MMA fighter has never been near a cage or ring in his life as can be seen from his total lack of head movement and reaction to being hit. The Wing Chun exponent was also significantly bigger, heavier and had longer reach.
2nd and 3rd clips - again for the majority the main player has the size advantage. There is also a marked difference in aggression between him and what I take to be his juniors / students. The only time someone matches that aggression by retaliating the outcome is very different. Due to the fear / hesitancy of the majority of the "partners" there is a lot of reaching going on rather than closing of range and supporting of shots with the lower body. They would all benefit more by slowing down and focusing on their footwork (angles, distance etc) before going back to banging again.
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Yet more clips of people just jumping forward and backward in straight lines chain punching the air. It's like a beginners boxing class.Originally Posted by kung fu fighter
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What people should be doing. The skill level on all of these is pretty low to moderate at best, yet what I see is 5 yrs down the road people that train this way will have a feel for their opponent, ranges, handling real contact, and a real feel for what will work in an escalated scenario. They will be able to refine their technique under pressure and get to the point of applying WCK shapes and concepts in a realistic environment.
Those that don't probably will still be sniping at them on internet forums. And still won't be able to fight.
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John,
I disagree with you on tool.
It is not foot sweep.
It is there is Wck stratergy momentum DNA applied in clip one. But the other two clips just exchange punches.
That strategy makes a different of it is or not Wck also how to cultivate Wck Kung fu in fighting.
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If "foot sweep" is not in the forms of a system, it may come from "cross training" (nothing wrong with that).
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-28-2013 at 09:10 AM.
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Meh, I don't think Jai, in the first clip, is half bad. Thing is his opponent never put on a pair of gloves before and kept cowering away. In that case what more can you expect to see... Would like to see him given a better opponent.Yet more clips of people just jumping forward and backward in straight lines chain punching the air. It's like a beginners boxing class.
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IMHO,
It is not about foot sweep, but the way how to do the sweep.
foot sweep is always a part of Wck. There are foot sweep the individual technics and foot sweep according to Wck momentum DNA.
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5 years?
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Could you prove it? Could you share any clip?
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 08-28-2013 at 10:45 AM.
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Of course that is what the people who never spar full contact are going to say.Yet more clips of people just jumping forward and backward in straight lines chain punching the air. It's like a beginners boxing class.
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That's pretty much the only time pure wing chun works against a resisting opponent.
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whatever. random number. based on those guys being pretty new and not focused on developing fighting sparring skills exclusively, but doing other WCK stuff as well. And not having top level coaching for that kind of thing. And them probably not being the same commitment level as someone trying to build a career as a fighter. It could be done in under a year with the right variables.5 years?
my point is that it may look kind of clunky right now and unskilled because they are just starting that type of training. but consistently doing that type of training will start to show a difference over time. and it will distance them from people who just do chi sau training + forms + dummy with no live unrestricted sparring consistently.
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