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    Crossing Legs

    Conventional MMA wisdom dictates that you never cross your legs when fighting. TCMA, however, makes use of leg crossing frequently with footwork stepping patterns, classical stances, spinning/unwinding techniques, step-behind kicks and the like.

    Do you incorporate leg crossing in your sparring and overall strategy? If so, how and why do you see it as beneficial?
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    In my mantis school I only teach a cross leg (niu bu) stance for a common mantis retreating tactic to draw the opponent in. We NEVER use cross-legged movement to move side-ward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    Conventional MMA wisdom dictates that you never cross your legs when fighting. TCMA, however, makes use of leg crossing frequently with footwork stepping patterns, classical stances, spinning/unwinding techniques, step-behind kicks and the like.

    Do you incorporate leg crossing in your sparring and overall strategy? If so, how and why do you see it as beneficial?
    tcma does not make frequent use of leg crossing

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    tcma does not make frequent use of leg crossing
    It's pretty common in form work....
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    It's pretty common in form work....
    give exampls


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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    give exampls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqoxhz4voPo 1:43, 3:19

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQbZsgJ-pb4 0:22

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVc7UF4LOIs Throughout the whole form really, but especially 2:17-2:50 and 3:08-3:16








    Postures 3 and 4 in the second row....

    I would consider all this to be examples of crossing legs....
    Last edited by Kellen Bassette; 09-02-2013 at 05:40 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqoxhz4voPo 1:43, 3:19

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQbZsgJ-pb4 0:22

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVc7UF4LOIs Throughout the whole form really, but especially 2:17-2:50 and 3:08-3:16


    Postures 3 and 4 in the second row....

    I would consider all this to be examples of crossing legs....
    clf video is exaggerated movement for teaching
    dahongquan video is exaggerated movement for performance
    futsan kung fu cross legs to protect groin
    1 move crossing the leg in a 100 move form is not frequent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    I have used a similar combination to the one at 3:19, but was already in close, and used my foot to hook the ankle as a sweep. Also, instead of kwa with the sweep, I used a dot choi, following with a spinning dot choi, like in the vid. I've only used that particular combo infrequently during free-sparring, but it worked well.
    Last edited by Jimbo; 09-02-2013 at 06:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    Conventional MMA wisdom dictates that you never cross your legs when fighting. TCMA, however, makes use of leg crossing frequently with footwork stepping patterns, classical stances, spinning/unwinding techniques, step-behind kicks and the like.

    Do you incorporate leg crossing in your sparring and overall strategy? If so, how and why do you see it as beneficial?
    Many times, stepping patterns in forms that use a cross-step represent a foot sweep. In such cases, what the hands / upper body are doing simultaneously make it very obvious. This is clearly different from assuming or moving into a cross-legged stance while facing an opponent, which wouldn't be very smart, to put it kindly.

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