Will you pick Taiji as your primary art if combat is your goal?

[YouKnowWho]

John - you need to clarify what you mean by 'combat'.

According to American Combat Shuai Chiao Association, the word "combat" is defined as "the integration of kick, punch, lock, throw, and following up striking".

http://combatshuaichiao.com/main.html

When David C. K. Lin was hired to teach Sionics, a prestigious Georgia-based Anti-terrorism school. He found out that his students in that school (CIA agents, FBI agents, president's body guards, ...) were not interest in tournament winning but "how to take care bad guys", the training was evolved and the term "combat" was used since then.

[bawang]

combat is a little baby cow that has just been born and not yet opened its eyes, its purple like an eggplant

[YouKnowWho]

If combat is my goal, I will join the army and learn what they teach.

I assume if you train something like this, you can call yourself training "combat".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsCqlvOGGg

In

- "sport", you are not allow to do so.
- "self-defense", you may not want to hurt your opponent this bad.

So what will you call your training if you don't use the word "combat"?

[Golden Arms]

I assume if you train something like this, you can call yourself training "combat".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsCqlvOGGg

In

- "sport", you are not allow to do so.
- "self-defense", you may not want to hurt your opponent this bad.

So what will you call your training if you don't use the word "combat"?

That is pretty much why we use the word as well. It doesn't mean you only want to have those type of responses on call, but it does mean we train them.

[David Jamieson]

I assume if you train something like this, you can call yourself training "combat".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsCqlvOGGg

In

- "sport", you are not allow to do so.
- "self-defense", you may not want to hurt your opponent this bad.

So what will you call your training if you don't use the word "combat"?

Just training. That's all it is until you use it.

[Frost]

I assume if you train something like this, you can call yourself training "combat".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WsCqlvOGGg

In

- "sport", you are not allow to do so.
- "self-defense", you may not want to hurt your opponent this bad.

So what will you call your training if you don't use the word "combat"?

actually in sport you could do that...how I miss the early pride shows lol
I hate to do this but I have to agree with DJ that's not combat its training just like throat strikes and eye gauges aren't combat but technique applications

[Lucas]

if you are strictly training so that you can use your skills that you are building in combat, then technically you are training combatives.

the moment adjustments are made for 'fairness' you have just changed what you are training from combat to art/sport.


'Fair fight' is a myth. No fight is fair.

[xinyidizi]

I assume if you train something like this, you can call yourself training "combat".

So if your throwing demo is combat then why this Chen taiji guy's throws shouldn't be called combat?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-__XJ1zQg

[YouKnowWho]

So if your throwing demo is combat then why this Chen taiji guy's throws shouldn't be called combat?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb-__XJ1zQg

This is just my definition. If you

- just throw your opponent down and end right there, it's "sport".
- choke/knock your opponent out after your throwing, that's "combat".

To me, "'combat" require "finish moves". Most of the "finish moves" after throwing can either be choke your opponent out by your ground game, or knock your opponent out by your stand up game.

If you do consider "ground game" or "follow up striking", the way that you will throw your opponent and the way that you will force your opponent to land are important.

If you training

- include that, you are training "combat".
- don't include that, you are training "sport".

[xinyidizi]

This is just my definition. If you

- just throw your opponent down and end right there, it's "sport".
- choke/knock your opponent out after your throwing, that's "combat".

To me, "'combat" require "finish moves". Most of the "finish moves" after throwing can either be choke your opponent out by your ground game, or knock your opponent out by your stand up game.

If you do consider "ground game" or "follow up striking", the way that you will throw your opponent and the way that he will land are important.

If you training

- include that, you are training "combat".
- don't include that, you are training "sport".

In that video just like you the taiji guy can also easily choke or kick his opponents head if he chooses to and traditionally taiji combat is taught that way but we can just pretend doing the finishing move in training. So in that case taiji is an effective combat martial art.

Pushing people far away is for demos and competitions where you can lose points for falling from the leitai. In traditional taiji you want them to fall close and down so that you can finish them ideally at the same time that the land. Even if you push them it's to prepare them for the follow up strikes like in the canon fist.