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[Wayfaring]

I don't agree. I'm nowhere near a top notch sports fighter and would lose to most in my weight division most of the time. Sports fighting is their job. It is not mine and I am under no delusions of greatness.

I do know who Dale Franks is though and I know he is too old and small to beat me in a fight given that my striking is much better than his plus I have good judo and bjj experience which negates the strong part of his game. This is just physical reality.

Before reading on this forum that Dale Franks is Laroux I would have had respect for his experience and would have been open to hearing his opinions, especially on grappling.

If he really is Laroux then while I still respect that his commitment to bjj over the years I no longer have any respect for his general opinions on MA given the constant trolling that Laroux does here on the forum and the closed mind and lack of experience he displays in every post.

Yah I don't think Laroux is Dale. But the knifefighter screen name certainly was. Anyways why are we talking about him other than to hear how tough you think you are? I mean your opinions on this forum haven't been exactly the epitome of mature content when it comes to trolling either.

I mean most of those guys who don't post anymore I don't think are losing sleep over it and would probably say this forum hasn't changed.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Rick Spain and his students haven't done badly in ring fights, both kickboxing and MMA.

I don't understand the Alan Orr hate here. With little competition evidence to back up most of you guy's, including the PB crowd's, claims of WC/VT badassness, except Alan, you guys ought to be hanging off his rep like leeches.

Claims of 40 "streetfights" or a few months throwing drunks out of a bar don't count.

Alan has never shy'ed away from the fact that His WC is HIS and is based on Robert Chu's system ( which is a hybrid system also IIRC).
Why on earth would Alan's WC look like anyone elses WC?
It looks like it has to based on what it is trying to accomplish:
Combat ( sport and street) effectiveness in THIS day and age VS OTHER MA.

[JPinAZ]

I mean most of those guys who don't post anymore I don't think are losing sleep over it and would probably say this forum hasn't changed.

Don't kid yourself - it's getting worse by the day :P

[k gledhill]

A new member said hello and 3000 views later ; ) ends up as a discussion about who's really on first, what's on second and I don't knows on third. That's what I said who's on first ? ... Yes... Huh, and so on. .... . ; )

[sanjuro_ronin]

A new member said hello and 3000 views later ; ) ends up as a discussion about who's really on first, what's on second and I don't knows on third. That's what I said who's on first ? ... Yes... Huh, and so on. .... . ; )

Welcome to the WC forum.

[k gledhill]

Welcome to the WC forum.

What do you mean by that ? Whatever dude !

[LaRoux]

Alan has never shy'ed away from the fact that His WC is HIS and is based on Robert Chu's system ( which is a hybrid system also IIRC).
Why on earth would Alan's WC look like anyone elses WC?
It looks like it has to based on what it is trying to accomplish:
Combat ( sport and street) effectiveness in THIS day and age VS OTHER MA.

I don't think it is the most efficient way to go about getting WC to be more effective, but I would agree with this statement.

[YouKnowWho]

Why on earth would Alan's WC look like anyone elses WC?

If Alan wants WC to be his, what change did he make, and why?

[Sihing73]

If Alan wants WC to be his, what change did he make, and why?

I have always said that WC is a highly personal art, although some would disagree.
I feel WC will be adapted to ones own physical, mental and even spiritual uniqueness.

If I am wrong then I am waiting for the superior cookie cutter system which produces advocates who all do things the same way.

Shoot, even from WSL there are differences.....................though rumor has it that only one of his students got it right. Don't believe me? Just ask some of the members of a certain cult who post here..........over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

[sihing]

WC is "highly" personal, because it about development, not about expression or application.

I have Alan's video's, he's good and brings forth some great ideas, but the expression of it is personal and looks like any other striking art.

The person learning develops the skill set he is providing, then uses it anyways they choose, so development and application is separate. I'm never interested in seeing the shapes of tan, fok, bong, pak in the application as that would mean the user is "trying" to display the development or style, not use it.

Someone attacks me, I attack them, using whatever is available to me to use, I don't care what it looks like or how it comes out, it is just the development of my tools was done so thru VT training..

James

[anerlich]

I would have had respect for his experience and would have been open to hearing his opinions, especially on grappling.

I doubt whether either he or Alan Orr care whether you respect them or not.

I do know who Dale Franks is though and I know he is too old and small to beat me in a fight given that my striking is much better than his plus I have good judo and bjj experience which negates the strong part of his game. This is just physical reality.

WTF. Have you got a match set up with Dale? Does he know of your existence?

Unless you're going to have a deathmatch with Dale anytime soon, please stop with this line of bullsh*t. You could probably beat Muhammad Ali in his current condition, and certainly beat Bruce Lee in his, but SFW?

[Graham H]

Shoot, even from WSL there are differences.....................though rumor has it that only one of his students got it right. Don't believe me? Just ask some of the members of a certain cult who post here..........over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Well you know what they say when people have to be told the same thing over and over and over and over and over?..................................they are thick!