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We essentially do this in Pin Sun. That's one option that can play off of bong is to hook the hand behind the elbow or triceps and turn the opponent (while slightly torquing/turning yourself) to take the back &/or deliver a nice shot to the exposed flank. Its part of "turning style"Originally Posted by YouKnow
When you do that, you usually have your left hand "above" your right Bong wrist. This way, you can use your
- left hand to parry your opponent's "wrist grabbing arm".
- right Bong hand to "hook behind the elbow or triceps" of his "elbow grabbing arm",
and redirect his "elbow grabbing arm" to wherever that you want it to go.
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Its not bong sau thats the mistake...its lop sau.
"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
Going along with LFJ's idea that you should never actually stick to the opponent, I could see where one might say you will never have time to do the classic Bong/Lop sequence that we see so often in the PB videos. But even the Lop Sao is just a brief contact. So why do you feel that Lop Sao is a mistake?
It's not Bong Shou or Lop Shou that's mistake. It's the concept of "Shou" that's mistake.
You should
- think about "how many different ways that you can use your hand to punch on your opponent's face".
- not think about "how many different ways that you can use your arm to block your opponent's punch".
The way that people think about this Shou and that Shou, it's just too "conservative" IMO.
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IMHO looking to do bong lap is the mistake. After the bong the rear hand should be looking to strike. If as it comes forward the opponents arm is still in the way then it is removed using lap whilst the bong arm cycles into a strike. Too many people hunt for the the bong lap combination.
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"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
Are you speaking of grabbing with the thumb or grabbing at all?
You can lop w/o using the thumb joint and it doesn't impede WC employment at all. Performing Lop as a thumb-wrapping grab limits you to chin na style application in many cases, so I could see your point from that perspective.
you don't thumb wrap in grappling for arm locks (kimura, americana) or for toe holds. the only thumb wrap grip I can think of that is used effectively is a wrist grip in the low region (opponent's wrist in the low region rather than mid or high).