Fung Wah /Leung Bik

[Firehawk4]

What about a student of Leung Jan named Lai Yeung Yin who taught Wong Jing maybe he taught Yip Man and might be known as Fung Wah ?

[Firehawk4]

n Foshan. His other students consisted mainly of the wealthy owners of local businesses and inclued Leung Kay (Lao Man Kay, Rascal Kay), Leung Wah (Muk Yan Wah, Wooden Man Wah), Lo Kwai (Chu Yuk Kwai, Butcher Kwai, sometimes rendered as Chan Kwai), Fung Wah, and pharmacy employee Ngau Shu (San Dai Shu, Big Mountain Shu),

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=KPM;1263787] If Leung Bik had a daughter as Joy stated, then he very likely has existing family members. Why have they not surfaced or been located?
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Possibly a chat between posters on a KFO magazine thread does not stir folks in China or other
relevant places or pea nut-pop corn or dim sum galleries in the world.

[KPM]

[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1263810]

If Leung Bik had a daughter as Joy stated, then he very likely has existing family members. Why have they not surfaced or been located?
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Possibly a chat between posters on a KFO magazine thread does not stir folks in China or other
relevant places or pea nut-pop corn or dim sum galleries in the world.

Yes, but people like Sifu Sergio, Leung Ting, and others have actually traveled about asking and searching for such leads. They've done a lot more than just have some chats on a discussion board!

[KPM]

n Foshan. His other students consisted mainly of the wealthy owners of local businesses and inclued Leung Kay (Lao Man Kay, Rascal Kay), Leung Wah (Muk Yan Wah, Wooden Man Wah), Lo Kwai (Chu Yuk Kwai, Butcher Kwai, sometimes rendered as Chan Kwai), Fung Wah, and pharmacy employee Ngau Shu (San Dai Shu, Big Mountain Shu),

in the list of Leung Jan students it occurs to me that there are 3 other students besides Leung Bik that have the surname of "Leung." Coincidence? Relatives? Or is it possible these were nicknames in the same tradition that we see with Moy Yat disciples where many of them were given a "Moy" Chinese name?

[hunt1]

in the list of Leung Jan students it occurs to me that there are 3 other students besides Leung Bik that have the surname of "Leung." Coincidence? Relatives? Or is it possible these were nicknames in the same tradition that we see with Moy Yat disciples where many of them were given a "Moy" Chinese name?

This is part of the problem of historical martial arts research. The Chinese penchant for nicknames and adoptive names. Moy Yat was just being traditional by giving his disciples a "Moy" family name. "Sifu" means father. In tradition when you became an apprentice and accepted to learn a skill be it brick layer or martial arts you would receive an adoptive name from your "father". Then you also had names that reflected your occupation such as "Money Changer" or "Butcher". People often became known more by their nicknames or adoptive name than by their original family name.

[Vajramusti]

This is part of the problem of historical martial arts research. The Chinese penchant for nicknames and adoptive names. Moy Yat was just being traditional by giving his disciples a "Moy" family name. "Sifu" means father. In tradition when you became an apprentice and accepted to learn a skill be it brick layer or martial arts you would receive an adoptive name from your "father". Then you also had names that reflected your occupation such as "Money Changer" or "Butcher". People often became known more by their nicknames or adoptive name than by their original family name.

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Not just in China. In some other parts of the world as well... nicknames becoming names, occupations becoming names, villages becoming names etc.
In my case my family lineage list exists in a chain of persons and names for over 1500 years...but Chaudhuri was a title--- the real family name is used in rituals related to birth, marriage, death etc

One has to be careful in even interpreting calligraphy. An example of interpretation in translation creating problems..
Bodhidharma crossing the Yangtze river on a reed or a boat made out of reeds--- which are still seen in some crossings.
There is more to scholarship and accuracy than knowing a language, reading or carrying a camera or chatting on a forum.
Then there is the old problem of proof by authority.

[KPM]

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There is more to scholarship and accuracy than knowing a language, reading or carrying a camera or chatting on a forum.
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Or seeing a few youtube clips or spending an hour or so with someone demo'ing their style!

[kung fu fighter]

Lee Man (Yip Man's Friend) Made up the story of Yip Learning From Leung bik in Hong Kong to create more interest in the system. Due to the fact Leung Jan was already a well known Hero and kung fu fighter, they tried to Link Yip Man Directly to Dr. Leung Jan.

Similar to how so many people tried to ride on Bruce Lee's coattails after he died

[Vajramusti]

Lee Man (Yip Man's Friend) Made up the story of Yip Learning From Leung bik in Hong Kong to create more interest in the system. Due to the fact Leung Jan was already a well known Hero and kung fu fighter, they tried to Link Yip Man Directly to Dr. Leung Jan.

Similar to how so many people tried to ride on Bruce Lee's coattails after he died

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Coulda been Lee Man taught Ip Man but Ip Man kept him in the background..after all some people still offer incense at Lee man's grave.

History gone viral:-

[PalmStriker]

One thing seems to be certain, IMHO, and that is: Master Ip Chun is the son of GreatMaster Yip Man. He looks just like him. I find this vid to be meditationally so. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3SGBZ3x2vM