Grappling art solo training

[YouKnowWho]

Chinese wrestling has both partner drills and solo drills. You usually learn the partner drills first before you learn the solo drills. This order is quite different from most of the TCMA striking art training. Some grappling art such as wrestling or Judo may not have solo drills. Why? What's your opinion on this?

partner drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

solo drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzCn-SAKsM

[-N-]

Chinese wrestling has both partner drills and solo drills. You usually learn the partner drills first before you learn the solo drills. This order is quite different from most of the TCMA striking art training. Some grappling art such as wrestling or Judo may not have solo drills. Why? What's your opinion on this?

partner drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

solo drill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzCn-SAKsM

Might depend on the teacher.

My teacher introduced new applications as solo drills, then had us pair up after practicing for a few minutes.

[YouKnowWho]

It's so clear to see exactly what's going on in this partner drill clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

It's not that easy to see what's going on in this solo drill clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzCn-SAKsM

Sometime I think the TCMA teaching method that teach solo form first and application later may confuse students big time.

If your teacher taught you the following solo drill without telling you the application, will you be able to figure out what you are doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVj...ature=youtu.be

[-N-]

It's so clear to see exactly what's going on in this partner drill clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

It's not that easy to see what's going on in this solo drill clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzCn-SAKsM

Sometime I think the TCMA teaching method that teach solo form first and application later may confuse students big time.

If the partner usage isn't shown until much later, there's a good chance the student will practice solo with completely wrong focus on where/how to put focus, force, and energy.

If your teacher taught you the following solo drill without telling you the application, will you be able to figure out what you are doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVj...ature=youtu.be

Looks like direct his lead arm to the opposite side, overhook, spin to the outside, wrap his arm backward across your body/arm, pressure his elbow, and block his footwork to throw.

[-N-]

This order is quite different from most of the TCMA striking art training. Some grappling art such as wrestling or Judo may not have solo drills. Why? What's your opinion on this?

There's a lot of "arm chair" kung fu. There's a difference between learning "about" kung fu, and learning "to do" kung fu.

Sometimes people get mixed up about what they actually are doing.

Solo drills are learning about the movement, which is different than learning to do the movement on a person.

[-N-]

If the partner usage isn't shown until much later, there's a good chance the student will practice solo with completely wrong focus on where/how to put focus, force, and energy.



Looks like direct his lead arm to the opposite side, overhook, spin to the outside, wrap his arm backward across your body/arm, pressure his elbow, and block his footwork to throw.

Or does that go deeper and you wrap his neck to throw?

Or....

Or...

Hahaha.

[SavvySavage]

If a student can't do a horse stance/cat stance solo than he definitely can't hold a horse stance while doing hip throw, IMO. It wools benefit that student to do strength drills like stances and squats. I grew though partner drilling is important to start quickly.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Solo training is about developing the attributes.
You can develop speed, power, endurance and flexibility in solo training.
Partner training is where you develop your ability to USE those attributes in a fight.
As long as you don't confuse the two, solo training is fine for grappling.

[Fa Xing]

Solo training is about developing the attributes.
You can develop speed, power, endurance and flexibility in solo training.
Partner training is where you develop your ability to USE those attributes in a fight.
As long as you don't confuse the two, solo training is fine for grappling.

Yeah last thing we need are 1000 move forms that teach the ultimate skillz of grappling

[lkfmdc]

Last few weeks I've been interviewed by Sinovision (USA edition) for a new show they are doing on "kung fu in America" (why am I on it? who knows LOL)

I spent a good time of it showing them solo movements and then REAL applications... they were pretty amazed that these things actually had practical applications

[lkfmdc]

If a student can't do a horse stance/cat stance solo than he definitely can't hold a horse stance while doing hip throw,

yeah, that's why Judoka, Samboists and wrestlers do hours of horse stance......

[lkfmdc]

Solo training is about developing the attributes.
You can develop speed, power, endurance and flexibility in solo training.
Partner training is where you develop your ability to USE those attributes in a fight.
As long as you don't confuse the two, solo training is fine for grappling.

Sanjuro has won the internet

This forum requires that you wait 30 seconds between posts.

screw you, I type fast

[SavvySavage]

yeah, that's why Judoka, Samboists and wrestlers do hours of horse stance......

I didn't say thousands of hours. I was talking about for weak people that have never done martial arts.

[YouKnowWho]

Sometime I think the TCMA teaching method that teach solo form first and application later may confuse students big time.

If your teacher taught you the following solo drill without telling you the application, will you be able to figure out what you are doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kzCn-SAKsM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVj...ature=youtu.be

What do you think the above concern that I have?

Someone once asked me the application of the SC basic form #4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvvh...ature=youtu.be

Apparently his SC coach didn't teach him the application. Why anybody wanted to learn something that he didn't even know what he was doing?

If we look at the SC basic form #4 clip, it has the arms moves but doesn't have the leg move. It was designed to teach beginners.

I like the solo drills that are identical to the partner drills. I don't like the simplify version solo drills that was designed for beginners. Since the solo drills that are identically to the partner drills are complicate and hard to understand without learning the partner drill application first. It makes no sense to learn those solo drills before learning partner drill application IMO.

[David Jamieson]

I read this whole thread.
I wasn't sure if it was a masturbation joke that belonged in off topic.

solo grappling were the keywords...

anyway...