Do you pull your leg back after kicking?

[Kellen Bassette]

When you kick at your opponent's groin, your opponent drops his arm to block it. His face is open at that moment. If you pull your leg back, and then step forward, his arm will move back to cover his face already. Since you may have just 1/10 second window, you just don't have the luxury to pull your leg back in that situation.

There is no reason you need to set your leg back at the original starting point after retracting the kick. If I threw a rear leg kick, opponent blocks and I retract, why can't I land that foot forward and punch? My rear leg is now my lead leg, the face can still be punched, no need to create another step.

[YouKnowWho]

There is no reason you need to set your leg back at the original starting point after retracting the kick. If I threw a rear leg kick, opponent blocks and I retract, why can't I land that foot forward and punch? My rear leg is now my lead leg, the face can still be punched, no need to create another step.

In the longfist system, most of the time, you don't pull your kicking leg back. Here is an example. The interest thing is the Tantui is the most beginner level training form. A longfist guy would train not to pull his kicking leg back in his beginner level training stage. That's quite different from most of the Karate training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRf...ature=youtu.be

You can also see that in the more advance level longfist form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUEp...ature=youtu.be

[Kellen Bassette]

In the longfist system, most of the time, you don't pull your kicking leg back. Here is an example. The interest thing is the Tantui is the most beginner level training form. A longfist guy would train not to pull his kicking leg back in his beginner level training stage. That's quite different from most of the Karate training.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRf...ature=youtu.be

You can also see that in the more advance level longfist form.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUEp...ature=youtu.be

Yes, in Karate you almost always pull the kick back...

[Subitai]

Hey YouKnowWho...

Don't know if you've discussed this before but I thought you might find this video at least a little interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHoB1wcToDA


Mostly legs as per the kicking aspect...cool in some ways but it seems like NO Hands to the head and that just bothers me.

"O"

[YouKnowWho]

That was a very interesting sparring rule set. It was very friendly environment as well. Not sure if "foot sweep" is in their training or not.

[-N-]

Yes, in Karate you almost always pull the kick back...

You especially will see that in point sparring. It's all about speed and playing tag when it's light contact. No point in following through with combos when the refs call break on every clash. And if you leave your foot out without making heavy contact, you just get grabbed.

[-N-]

Here are some solid heel kicks to the thigh. With shoes on, even. No pull back.

[-N-]

Running footwork with kicks.

[mickey]

Greetings,

That was a nice example of what I was talking about.

YKW was talking about the type of kick used to set up the punch. The thread began to wander from that.


mickey

[YouKnowWho]

May be all kicks in the longfist system are used to set up punch or another kick. It's in the

- beginner form Tantui.
- Intermediate form Maifu Quan.
- Advance form Si Lu Ben Da.

Should you step in after kick?

If you use kick to

- set up punch, you will step in.
- kill, you will still step in to make sure that your opponent is truly dead.

[mickey]

Greetings,

YKW,

I usually saw it the other way with the hands setting up the kicks. It depends on the skill level of the fighter.

In TanTui, the hands come first, punctuated by the kick.


mickey

[YouKnowWho]

I usually saw it the other way with the hands setting up the kicks. It depends on the skill level of the fighter.

If my arm can touch my opponent's arm, I'll pull myself into a clinch.

[Jimbo]

You especially will see that in point sparring. It's all about speed and playing tag when it's light contact. No point in following through with combos when the refs call break on every clash. And if you leave your foot out without making heavy contact, you just get grabbed.

I used to see a lot of point fighters who would lift their front leg and hop forward on their other foot, flicking little round kicks. IMO, it defeated the entire purpose of snap kicking, as the kicks would only flick out, retract a few inches, and flick out again. Even if they landed they wouldn't do any damage. Probably not really intending to land, but to set up a back fist. Very different from the way 'Superfoot' Bill Wallace used to do his multiple kicks. Having sparred him in a seminar 30+ years ago, I can attest that, although his kicks were no MT kicks, he could still hurt you with them. He used a very strong snap, as opposed to half-hearted flicks.

[mickey]

Greetings,

YKW,

You are a Shuai Chiao man. I would fully expect that.


mickey

[mickey]

Greetings,

YKW,

Do you realize that your strategy is still hands leading legs?


mickey