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    Takedowns and throws in your system?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLMEB8EOFU

    All of the techniques in this clip I can easily show you where they are in my traditional Chinese martial arts system...

    But I know people whose sifu told them their style had no takedowns, this I don't actuallly believe...

    So, what takedowns exist in your system?
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    Every system I have trained in that was dedicated to striking had a mired of throws or trips in the forms or system.
    From Goju to kyokushin to hung kuen and so forth.
    The issue was that most of the time they were not applied they way they would actually work.
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    trips and throws.
    the style I practice has them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Every system I have trained in that was dedicated to striking had a mired of throws or trips in the forms or system.
    From Goju to kyokushin to hung kuen and so forth.
    The issue was that most of the time they were not applied they way they would actually work.
    I assume you mean they were not applied by the PRACTICIONERS in a way that they would work...

    The correct technique is there, but people have to learn it, and more importantly PRACTICE IT CORRECTLY
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    I mean silly things like I explain here

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    I assume you mean they were not applied by the PRACTICIONERS in a way that they would work...

    The correct technique is there, but people have to learn it, and more importantly PRACTICE IT CORRECTLY
    Correct.
    They tend to be negated to the realm of "step sparring" and gradings as opposed to actual sparring sessions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLMEB8EOFU

    All of the techniques in this clip I can easily show you where they are in my traditional Chinese martial arts system...

    But I know people whose sifu told them their style had no takedowns, this I don't actuallly believe...

    So, what takedowns exist in your system?
    in hongquan the basic one is where you throw bombs and make your opponent turtle up, then single. its the easiest one because ur opponent doesn't hold on to u. in longfist the double leg is lift straight up then smash. it called bawang lift cauldron. if u intentionally go down wit ur opponent its called bull crush man.

    longfist don't like leverage for takedowns because it does no damage. longfist mainly uses double leg to smash the back. this is also why Chinese breakfall is a lot of slapping less rolling
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    I assume you mean they were not applied by the PRACTICIONERS in a way that they would work...

    The correct technique is there, but people have to learn it, and more importantly PRACTICE IT CORRECTLY
    Thinking that a techniques is "in" a system just because it is "in" a form, is as outdated and backwards thinking as thinking that you can learn to fight simply by doing forms.

    A movement in a form that "looks" like something means nothing. There are also moves in forms that look like moves in salsa dancing. Doesn't mean salsa dancing is "in" the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaDouche View Post

    Doesn't mean salsa dancing is "in" the system.
    I am sure in YOUR SYSTEM there is indeed salsa dancing
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLMEB8EOFU

    All of the techniques in this clip I can easily show you where they are in my traditional Chinese martial arts system...

    But I know people whose sifu told them their style had no takedowns, this I don't actuallly believe...

    So, what takedowns exist in your system?
    I can well relate with your video, the fist part especially

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    Below are the core styles of my martial arts training.

    Okinawa Karate - sweeps, arm drags, hip toss, lock throws/takedowns, and slip behind choke takedowns.

    Japanese Jiujitsu - all the normal stuff, much the same as Judo.

    Aikido doesn't count because it was almost all BS. I moved on...

    5 Animal Sil-Lum - all the normal Shuai Jiao and Chin-Na stuff.

    Kali Arnis - Dumog which is Filipino wrestling and pinning with it's own unique FMA flavor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDLMEB8EOFU

    All of the techniques in this clip I can easily show you where they are in my traditional Chinese martial arts system...

    But I know people whose sifu told them their style had no takedowns, this I don't actuallly believe...

    So, what takedowns exist in your system?

    Tcma does not have these throws. Some forms are not technically supposed to be technique based so you could technically interpret them as you like. The clip below is purely a boxing form. You can clearly see the hand strikes and although you coul technically interpret the overhand rights as hip throws that is a bit far fetched. The stances are not low enough. It's a nice form though.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Z8Gpq-RUY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    Tcma does not have these throws. Some forms are not technically supposed to be technique based so you could technically interpret them as you like. The clip below is purely a boxing form. You can clearly see the hand strikes and although you coul technically interpret the overhand rights as hip throws that is a bit far fetched. The stances are not low enough. It's a nice form though.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Z8Gpq-RUY
    even Chinese opera has takedowns FOO

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    even Chinese opera has takedowns FOO
    I'm not sure what this means. All I was trying to say was that you cannot just interpret forms anyway you see fit. The person who invented the form had a specific use for the movement.

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