Takedowns and throws in your system?

[lkfmdc]

Can you see any takedown or throw in this longfist forms (except the waist chop)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkWY4joNlUk

I see shaving, marching, chopping and cracking there, just looking at it once

[YouKnowWho]

I see shaving, marching, chopping and cracking there, just looking at it once

Could you point out the exactly location in that clip (such as 0.34, 1.03, ...)?

[lkfmdc]

Could you point out the exactly location in that clip (such as 0.34, 2.13, ...)?

obviously, have to watch it and tae notes, I will do it however.....

[YouKnowWho]

obviously, have to watch it and tae notes, I will do it however.....

Just for the sake of discussion. What do you think about those 3 WC forms?

[lkfmdc]

Just for the sake of discussion.

no, no problem, but I want to be exact, and right now I am occupied

many kicking movements can be leg blocking, hooking, sweeping.... bugt you know this already

[GoldenBrain]

I see a hip toss at 31 seconds in the longfist form. Also, maybe an outer reap type takedown at 1:02.

Possibly an arm drag type throw at 1:10 in the WC 3 form.

I've not studied either of these styles so I might need to watch the videos a few more times in order to pick out some other throws and takedowns. I'll be interested to hear other opinions.

[-N-]

Can you see any takedown or throw in this longfist forms (except the waist chop)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkWY4joNlUk

There is a dip jang takedown 15 seconds into the clip.

Dip jang(stack elbows) - cross hand tie up that leverages down on the person's elbows while you step behind his lead leg. Very common takedown in Mantis.

In Bung Bo, you see a dip jang take down variation after the flying knee attack.

[lkfmdc]

Could you point out the exactly location in that clip (such as 0.34, 1.03, ...)?

OK, my understanding, as was taught to me by my teachers, is that in traditional set, movement suggests applications, it can be more than one application.. So I can look at it as all striking or look for grappling in it....

Again, I am taking only quick look at old grainy footage but I see

0:10 march and kick
0:23 chopping
0:25 leg seizing
0:33 embracing
0:40 cracking
1:00 chopping
1:11 shaving

my terms might be different or even "off" if so sorry John

[lkfmdc]

Just for the sake of discussion. What do you think about those 3 WC forms?

I have student who is from big name WC family and was raised doing the style. I have shown him many techniuqes he has found in his WC but "anti wrestling" to stay striking...

[mickey]

Greetings YouKnowWho,

LONG FIST (first 26 seconds) throws at:

.10

.11 (seen as part of waist chop)

.14

.15

.17

.18

.19

.20

.22

.23

.24-.26


Time took to find (zero seconds)

mickey

PS: The film is not grainy. The throws are clear.

[LaRoux]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEmRciqlnFo

This one has all the kung fu techniques in it- marching, kicking, outer reap, chopping, leg seizing, embracing, cracking, dip jang takedown , shaving, hip toss, leg blocking, hooking, sweeping.

[YouKnowWho]

.11 (seen as part of waist chop).

I may expect more from the original form designer than others. I try to look at the "intention" and not just the body shape.

Since that form came from the PM system, the waist chop is in it. But you may notice that the waist chop is performed as right leg forward with right palm chop (instead of left leg forward with right hand chop). Also the left hand has no "pulling intention" at that moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lLR...ature=youtu.be

That move does look like "waist chop". Did someone modify it to make it lost the combat meaning? It's funny for a longfist guy to criticize a longfist form. I truly don't have "style boundary".

Here is a correct way to do "waist chop" with left leg forward and right palm chop. You can clearly see the left hand "pulling intention". It's easy to see the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJP0...ature=youtu.be

[mickey]

Greetings YouKnowWho,

I do see what you are talking about. The throw comes right after the chop, the downward pull with the right hand once the strike is made. Check it.


mickey

[mickey]

Greetings YouKnowWho,

What is really interesting is that we a looking at codification of throws from Shantung province.

mickey

[YouKnowWho]

Greetings YouKnowWho,

I do see what you are talking about. The throw comes right after the chop, the downward pull with the right hand once the strike is made. Check it.


mickey

That's a interest way to look a it. You are saying the right hand chop may be used to set up a right hand grab on your opponent's right wrist, and then pull his right arm to his left while using your right foot to scoop his left leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lLR...ature=youtu.be

Just because the application is not very clear in the longfist system. Many longfist guys had to cross train the praying mantis system in order to understand his original longfist system.