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    Major outer reap

    Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? I enjoy this throw, but mostly am able to work it from bridge or clinch, so I'm curious how others enter from striking to do it, or if that is even advisable.

    Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? I enjoy this throw, but mostly am able to work it from bridge or clinch, so I'm curious how others enter from striking to do it, or if that is even advisable.

    Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?
    I googled a video to see what it was.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LXeVri0K8

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    Last edited by Spiked; 10-31-2013 at 10:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    What do you mean by outer reap?
    Osotogari.

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    Hey FN, err KC,

    I'm newish, but I've read a bunch through the years, however I can't remember if you like to troll so I hope I'm not setting myself up here. Ah well, who cares, I'll play along anyway.

    I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

    I like to use this to setup a choke rather than a reap though because there's more control after the takedown. At the point where you are about to sweep just do a 180 so your facing the same direction and use the right arm you are clotheslining with to wrap around the neck, plant your left hand behind the head and use left leg to knee them up in the air a bit, step back, then blood choke them when their ass hits the ground.

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    that's in kong foo....foo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? ... Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?
    The "切(Qie) - front cut" is the easiest throw to be integrated into the striking art. Since you will use your leg to deal with your opponent's leg, you will have 2 free arms to deal with your opponent's arms. It's much safer to use it in combat than to use the wrestling "single leg" when your opponent's both arms are free.

    In wrestling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

    In striking:

    You can enter through your opponent's side door by using "double pulling".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3x...ature=youtu.be

    You can also enter through your opponent's front door by using "arm wrapping".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANvz...ature=youtu.be

    In either cases, after you have controlled your opponent's right arm, you can use your right elbow to smash on his face and use your right leg to take him down at the same time. In TCMA, this is called "black hand" because even if you use it in sport, most of the time the referee won't be able to tell whether you smash your elbow on your opponent's face on purpose or it's just an accident.

    IMO, the best control is to use your:

    - left arm to control your opponent's right arm (this can turn into an arm bar by using your left knee as leverage).
    - right hand to control his throat (this can turn into an elbow striking on his face).
    - right knee to drop on his body.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 10-31-2013 at 06:40 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The "切(Qie) - front cut" is the easiest throw to be integrated into the striking art. Since you will use your leg to deal with your opponent's leg, you will have 2 free arms to deal with your opponent's arms. It's much safer to use the "front cut' than to use the wrestling "single leg".

    In wrestling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

    In striking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3x...ature=youtu.be
    I guess the technique in the second video would work if a guy just stood there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    I guess the technique in the second video would work if a guy just stood there.
    It works better if the opponent is moving forward. If they are just standing there it would be hard to pull off. The video was instructional so they obviously weren't going at it full speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    I guess the technique in the second video would work if a guy just stood there.
    If your opponent

    - can move back faster than your advance, none of your techniques will work on him.
    - just lays down on the ground, none of your throws can work on him.
    - is already dead, there is no way that you will be able to kill him.
    - ...

    We can only discuss one situation at any time. When that situation changes, that technique will no longer be valid.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 10-31-2013 at 06:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenBrain View Post
    Hey FN, err KC,

    I'm newish, but I've read a bunch through the years, however I can't remember if you like to troll so I hope I'm not setting myself up here. Ah well, who cares, I'll play along anyway.

    I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

    I like to use this to setup a choke rather than a reap though because there's more control after the takedown. At the point where you are about to sweep just do a 180 so your facing the same direction and use the right arm you are clotheslining with to wrap around the neck, plant your left hand behind the head and use left leg to knee them up in the air a bit, step back, then blood choke them when their ass hits the ground.
    I don't troll in the 'use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath', but I occasionally joke around.

    Thanks for the reply, I'll have to read it more closely tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The "切(Qie) - front cut" is the easiest throw to be integrated into the striking art. Since you will use your leg to deal with your opponent's leg, you will have 2 free arms to deal with your opponent's arms. It's much safer to use it in combat than to use the wrestling "single leg" when your opponent's both arms are free.

    In wrestling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

    In striking:

    You can enter through your opponent's side door by using "double pulling".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3x...ature=youtu.be

    You can also enter through your opponent's front door by using "arm wrapping".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANvz...ature=youtu.be

    In either cases, after you have controlled your opponent's right arm, you can use your right elbow to smash on his face and use your right leg to take him down at the same time. In TCMA, this is called "black hand" because even if you use it in sport, most of the time the referee won't be able to tell whether you smash your elbow on your opponent's face on purpose or it's just an accident.

    IMO, the best control is to use your:

    - left arm to control your opponent's right arm (this can turn into an arm bar by using your left knee as leverage).
    - right hand to control his throat (this can turn into an elbow striking on his face).
    - right knee to drop on his body.
    Thanks, Youknowwho!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    I don't troll in the 'use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath', but I occasionally joke around.

    Thanks for the reply, I'll have to read it more closely tomorrow!
    Excellent! I shall look forward to further jovial exchanges then. I wasn't sure because it's been a bit of a troll hangout here lately. Peace!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenBrain View Post
    Excellent! I shall look forward to further jovial exchanges then. I wasn't sure because it's been a bit of a troll hangout here lately. Peace!
    No problem, though, if I'm understanding the current forum etiquette from my one day back and my exchanges with Snipsky, I should tell you I'm not Chinese. Forgive me. I'm working on it.

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    let us know when you make it to becoming a Chinese.....we may accept you then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    No problem, though, if I'm understanding the current forum etiquette from my one day back and my exchanges with Snipsky, I should tell you I'm not Chinese. Forgive me. I'm working on it.
    Hahaha! I'm racially color blind so no worries. Although, I will use my indian heritage to my advantage at the drop of a hat.

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