Major outer reap

[Faux Newbie]

Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? I enjoy this throw, but mostly am able to work it from bridge or clinch, so I'm curious how others enter from striking to do it, or if that is even advisable.

Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?

[Spiked]

Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? I enjoy this throw, but mostly am able to work it from bridge or clinch, so I'm curious how others enter from striking to do it, or if that is even advisable.

Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?

I googled a video to see what it was.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LXeVri0K8

Are you a jacket wrestler?

[Faux Newbie]

What do you mean by outer reap?

Osotogari.

[GoldenBrain]

Hey FN, err KC,

I'm newish, but I've read a bunch through the years, however I can't remember if you like to troll so I hope I'm not setting myself up here. Ah well, who cares, I'll play along anyway.

I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

I like to use this to setup a choke rather than a reap though because there's more control after the takedown. At the point where you are about to sweep just do a 180 so your facing the same direction and use the right arm you are clotheslining with to wrap around the neck, plant your left hand behind the head and use left leg to knee them up in the air a bit, step back, then blood choke them when their ass hits the ground.

[Snipsky]

that's in kong foo....foo!

[Faux Newbie]

Hey FN, err KC,

I'm newish, but I've read a bunch through the years, however I can't remember if you like to troll so I hope I'm not setting myself up here. Ah well, who cares, I'll play along anyway.

I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

I like to use this to setup a choke rather than a reap though because there's more control after the takedown. At the point where you are about to sweep just do a 180 so your facing the same direction and use the right arm you are clotheslining with to wrap around the neck, plant your left hand behind the head and use left leg to knee them up in the air a bit, step back, then blood choke them when their ass hits the ground.

I don't troll in the 'use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath', but I occasionally joke around.

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to read it more closely tomorrow!

[GoldenBrain]

I don't troll in the 'use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath', but I occasionally joke around.

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to read it more closely tomorrow!

Excellent! I shall look forward to further jovial exchanges then. I wasn't sure because it's been a bit of a troll hangout here lately. Peace!

[MightyB]

I don't troll in the 'use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath', but I occasionally joke around.

Thanks for the reply, I'll have to read it more closely tomorrow!

You mean I'm not supposed to use the internet as an excuse to turn random people into my own entertainment like some passive aggressive coward sociopath.

I've been internetting all wrong!!!

[Faux Newbie]

I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

Am I correct that we're assuming left leg lead stance (orthodox stance) in this description?

[GoldenBrain]

Am I correct that we're assuming left leg lead stance (orthodox stance) in this description?

Yes, that's correct. Sorry, I should have also explained the footwork with a bit more detail.

[Faux Newbie]

Hey FN, err KC,

I'm newish, but I've read a bunch through the years, however I can't remember if you like to troll so I hope I'm not setting myself up here. Ah well, who cares, I'll play along anyway.

I like to use outer reap from striking but it's a bit of a bridge so here is my method… If opponent throws a straight right, you check with left hand, deflect with right hand with palm up like holding a tray. We call it bear slap for the check and willow tree for the deflection. After the right hand deflection turn that hand over and step in like you are shinning but instead use it as a reap. You can either grab the throat or clothesline with the right hand and sweep back with the right foot.

I like to use this to setup a choke rather than a reap though because there's more control after the takedown. At the point where you are about to sweep just do a 180 so your facing the same direction and use the right arm you are clotheslining with to wrap around the neck, plant your left hand behind the head and use left leg to knee them up in the air a bit, step back, then blood choke them when their ass hits the ground.

I think I follow. Am i correct that, if one preferred, you could maintain control of the attacking arm at the end? I'll have to mess around with this.

[GoldenBrain]

I think I follow. Am i correct that, if one preferred, you could maintain control of the attacking arm at the end? I'll have to mess around with this.

For the outer reap over the arm no. When you deflect with the right hand you can either keep the palm down, grab and pull the arm, then reap or palm up and still pull or rather guide the arm with the back of the hand and then reap. Either way you basically let go of the arm when you throw them to the ground. For me the follow up on this one is to stomp, run away or drop on top of them and use grappling techniques and/or strikes from the ground.

If you use outer reap and go in under the arm then arm control to the ground can be maintained.

If you are going around for the choke then the control to the ground is their head. I think a blood choke works best for this. If the technique is done correctly you should already be grabbing for the blood choke while they are dropping to the ground. It's lights out pretty quickly if you are able to lock them down with your knee in their back and shoulder tight to the back of their head. An experienced or game fighter can escape this if your not tight enough so be prepared to stay on or retake their back and go for a more standard rear naked choke.

While I'm on chokes I'll talk about a variation of the rear naked I like to use. It's a one handed version that you can use if you have them wrapped up with your legs and one of their arms pinned under one of your legs. In this instance you can use just one hand to apply the choke. Instead of wrapping your hand around your arm you hug in close and wrap your hand around the back of your neck like you're giving yourself a half nelson. Then just lean your head back to apply the choke and use your free hand to block their free hand.

[YouKnowWho]

Does anyone here have any tips for setting up a good reap in context of striking and throwing? ... Also, how do you prefer to control after the reap?

The "切(Qie) - front cut" is the easiest throw to be integrated into the striking art. Since you will use your leg to deal with your opponent's leg, you will have 2 free arms to deal with your opponent's arms. It's much safer to use it in combat than to use the wrestling "single leg" when your opponent's both arms are free.

In wrestling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

In striking:

You can enter through your opponent's side door by using "double pulling".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3x...ature=youtu.be

You can also enter through your opponent's front door by using "arm wrapping".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANvz...ature=youtu.be

In either cases, after you have controlled your opponent's right arm, you can use your right elbow to smash on his face and use your right leg to take him down at the same time. In TCMA, this is called "black hand" because even if you use it in sport, most of the time the referee won't be able to tell whether you smash your elbow on your opponent's face on purpose or it's just an accident.

IMO, the best control is to use your:

- left arm to control your opponent's right arm (this can turn into an arm bar by using your left knee as leverage).
- right hand to control his throat (this can turn into an elbow striking on his face).
- right knee to drop on his body.

[Spiked]

The "切(Qie) - front cut" is the easiest throw to be integrated into the striking art. Since you will use your leg to deal with your opponent's leg, you will have 2 free arms to deal with your opponent's arms. It's much safer to use the "front cut' than to use the wrestling "single leg".

In wrestling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFgVrUMzZZE

In striking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et3x...ature=youtu.be

I guess the technique in the second video would work if a guy just stood there.

[GoldenBrain]

I guess the technique in the second video would work if a guy just stood there.

It works better if the opponent is moving forward. If they are just standing there it would be hard to pull off. The video was instructional so they obviously weren't going at it full speed.