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    jibengong / gebongung

    jiben gong (Mandarin)
    gebonggung (Cantonese)
    I am more cofortable with Cantonese obviously



    Some are stylistic / particular to a style. Others are universal in all TCMA... let's discuss the universal ones

    Ching Tek Teui (front stretch kick)
    Wan Tek Teui (side stretch kick)
    Pin Teui (inside crescent kick)
    Baai Lihn Teui (outside crescent kick)
    So Teui (sweeping leg)
    Hou So Teui (back sweeping leg)
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    Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo
    intersting stuff, but done way to slow... who has time to watch slow motion over and over again

    my opnion, based upon some research of course, is that originally, especialy when used for actual combat, all TCMA had more in common than different....

    Stylistic difference was marketing with commerical schools late in the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post

    my opnion, based upon some research of course, is that originally, especialy when used for actual combat, all TCMA had more in common than different....

    Stylistic difference was marketing with commerical schools late in the game
    I think so too....I think at the fundamental level there is really only northern and southern method...since they obviously have a common root, it is all "Chinese Boxing."

    Style is just a way to say, "here are the reasons my school is better than that guy's."
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PalmStriker View Post
    Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo
    Ji ben gong just means basics. The video shows a set of 18 movements that were at one time being promoted in Song Shan Shaolin, though I don't know how many schools in Dengfeng do the set shown in the video. Shi Decheng used this set (including two extra movements) to teach beginners. He would also teach a set of loose partner drills, but I don't know if he still does. Other Song Shan schools use a completely different set of basic drills. Most any school / teacher uses the "stretch kicks" that Mr. Ross listed.

    The 18 shown in video are a great set for exercise and limbering up before serious training...I have taught a modified set to students looking for something fun to do when they do solo training.

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    in traditional kung fu jibengong means iron body and iron hand training + assorted weight training

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    in traditional kung fu jibengong means iron body and iron hand training + assorted weight training
    Thankfully, all that sweaty mess has been replaced with zhanzhuang in silk pajamas.

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    even standing post was done with heavy weights.

    *daily reminder of shame and disgrace of kung fu

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    even standing post was done with heavy weights.

    *daily reminder of shame and disgrace of kung fu
    It still is. I guess it depends on your style and teacher.
    There are many standing gongs that include holding/wearing weights.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    the use of weights and other equipment to train CMA is so well established and documented, I always scratch my head at those who try to deny it...

    The Shaolin 18 jibengong, I have such mixed feelings... overly stylized and the applications shown in those video so painfully basic and unrealistic BUT.....

    The concept is great, learn individual applications, drill them then drill them with a partner....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    Some are stylistic / particular to a style.
    Different system has different set of Jibengong. If you cross train many styles, you may have problem to find enough time to train all the Jibengong that's needed. If you don't train the Jibengong for a certain system, you are not truly cross train that style.

    Here are some Jibengong for SC. If you don't devoted your training time into it, you will never be good in SC (you may just touch the surface of that system). You also need to spend time to maintain it. Without daily maintenance, your will lose it.

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQ4MzQ2MDQ0.html

    I don't know how MMA guys may solve this problem. I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Different system has different set of Jibengong. If you cross train many styles, you may have problem to find enough time to train all the Jibengong that's needed. If you don't train the Jibengong for a certain system, you are not truly cross train that style.

    Here are some Jibengong for SC. If you don't devoted your training time into it, you will never be good in SC (you may just touch the surface of that system). You also need to spend time to maintain it. Without daily maintenance, your will lose it.

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQ4MzQ2MDQ0.html

    I don't know how MMA guys may solve this problem. I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.

    That guy is just practicing the drill for those particular throws. Bjj has tons of exercises that mimic what they do on the ground.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjP50SOwK4


    The Chinese did not invent exercise and conditioning. Some of you guys sound like you think the Chinese ones are special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    The Chinese did not invent exercise and conditioning. Some of you guys sound like you think the Chinese ones are special.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.
    I believe all systems have their Jibengong. The problem is do you have time to train all the Jibengong that you have cross trained.

    The longfist system has many Jibengong. The SC system also have many Jibengong. If you just cross train these 2 systems, you will find that you training time has been stretched. This is why the day that I started my "cross training", the day that I gave up the form training and weapon training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiked View Post
    That guy is just practicing the drill for those particular throws. Bjj has tons of exercises that mimic what they do on the ground.
    Reading comprehension bro....slow down and sound out those words you quoted...
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Some Jibengong are used to develop "offense" skill. Some Jibengong are used to develop the "defense" skill.

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI4NjI5NjA4.html
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