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    Hmmmm....I thought it was only The Wicked Witch that was dead????

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    funny thing is... I saw less resistance to TCMA techniques and principles in the local MMA Gym where guys are in it and winning it than I see on this supposedly TCMA forum.

    For f**k sakes, they even experimented with WC concepts!
    If I could vote you up, I would.

    The MMA guys I've worked out with have all been considerably more open minded than almost any of the TCMA guys I've spent decades with. Yes - they choose CMA as the first styles to rubbish (maybe along with aikido), because they haven't been well represented in their arena, but once they can see the practicality of something, they're more than happy to give it their full attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    IMO, the best way to save TCMA is to send students to the MMA gyms.
    And Bingo to this too.

    Why are TCMA's in danger of dying (if they are?).

    Because they are seen to be ineffective. Wushu players partake in their sport and everyone knows that it's all for show.

    If you believe doing slow motion taiji forms or spiralling bagua will make you healthy, and you have no interest in self defence or fighting - have at it.

    The rest of it, technically, is supposedly for self defence/fighting. Maybe there are people using their TCMA skills to survive street altercations regularly, but no-one hears about them. Surviving on the street is not going to spread your reputation far and wide.

    Competing against another skilled opponent and testing your material to see how well you can make it work - that is what will lift profiles and hopefully address any questions of effectiveness.

    When that question gets answered, we'll stop discussing the impending death of kung fu.

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    How can we say that Kung Fu is dead? After I had posted the following clip,

    http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzUwNTQ1OTM2.html

    a MMA guy made comment as the following:

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    "That's actually a very nice takedown. I think I'll incorporate it into my stand up."

    "You think I'm not going to use the "front cut" takedown because it comes from Kung Fu? Nope! It's an awesome takedown, and I'm sharing it with my Bjj brothers and sisters."
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    In the past, I have criticized both my major TCMA styles and my minor TCMA styles such as:

    - longfist system form has too much abstraction,
    - SC depends too much on sleeve hold,
    - WC Bong Shou expose elbow and chest,
    - Bagua circle walking cross legs for swept,
    - Yang Taiji has hand moves but not enough leg move such as sweep, scoop, hook, lift, spring, ...,
    - ...

    If we want our style to "evolve", we have to first detect the weakness of our style. No matter what style that we train, we should not be bounded by our styles. We should have "no style boundary" in mind. The moment that we say, "My style doesn't do this." or "This is against my style principle", the moment that we have stopped ourselves the opportunity to grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    If we want our style to "evolve", we have to first detect the weakness of our style.
    And the best way to do this?

    Test it, under pressure, against as many different people as you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
    If you believe doing slow motion taiji forms or spiralling bagua will make you healthy, and you have no interest in self defence or fighting - have at it.
    Agree!

    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Agree!

    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".
    Or separate the aspects. Because it's not about "sayings" or "excuses".
    the fact of the matter is that exclusive health and spiritual liberation exercises were tightly woven into many kung fu styles over centuries.

    That is hard to undo in a day with a few guys eschewing it.

    Make it clear. Health and spiritual liberation can be pursued through kung fu. Train it with a particular method towards that end. When you are old, you will not regret it.

    Health and arse kicking requires focus on different aspects, if that is what you want do that.
    Kung Fu is good for you.

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    Ding Dong Bitches.

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    Kung Fu's alive and well... just seen him hanging out on 42nd by the Speedway. Said "Waz up Kung fu?" he said "yo".

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Health and arse kicking requires focus on different aspects, if that is what you want do that.
    For

    - "health", we don't need to change our training. We can still train our forms as we did before. If we know 10 forms, we can train form #1, form #2, ..., form #10 one after another.

    - "combat", we will need to change our training and develop one skill after another.

    1. train a technique (for example a toe push kick to the chest).
    2. enhance it (how to make your kick fast and strong).
    3. counter it (arm block, leg block, move back, ...).
    4. counter the counters (use your kick to set up your punch).
    5. ...

    If we say that "change" is good, at the same time we also say that "no change" is necessary, we won't be able to have any meaningful discussion here.
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    Kung Fu's dead, he's locked in my basement hah hah
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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
    Quote Originally Posted by Taixuquan99 View Post
    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
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    I think he goes into a cave to meditate and recharge his chi...and bite the heads off of bats, of course....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkfmdc View Post
    Kung Fu's dead, he's locked in my basement hah hah
    That was Ving Chun - people often get the two confused.

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    We can let Kung Fu die and just assume that Kung Fu is good for "health" only. We can also try to bring it back to alive, prove to others that it's also good for "combat". Which path do we want to take?

    Since nobody will disagree that "Kung Fu is good for healthy", there is nothing that we will need to do in that aspect.
    Last edited by YouKnowWho; 11-11-2013 at 02:37 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyB View Post
    That was Ving Chun - people often get the two confused.
    no, no, THIS is where Ving Chun is

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    Quote Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn View Post
    well, like LKFMDC - he's a genuine Kung Fu Hero™
    Quote Originally Posted by Taixuquan99 View Post
    As much as I get annoyed when it gets derailed by the array of strange angry people that hover around him like moths, his good posts are some of my favorites.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    I think he goes into a cave to meditate and recharge his chi...and bite the heads off of bats, of course....

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