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    Train for self-defense

    When someone said that "I train for self-defense". What does that mean?

    You can always say to "kill someone" is to "help someone to go to heaven". It doesn't matter what kind of nice words that you may use, when your "fist meets your opponent's face", your opponent is down and you are standing. Any nice words won't change the outcome.

    I truly don't know "training for self-defense" can be any difference from regular MA training. Will you punch in different way or kick in different way? I don't think so. If you want your technique to work, you still have to go through develop, test, enhance, and polish stages.

    What's your opinion on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    When someone said that "I train for self-defense". What does that mean?

    You can always say to "kill someone" is to "help someone to go to heaven". It doesn't matter what kind of nice words that you may use, when your "fist meets your opponent's face", your opponent is down and you are standing. Any nice words won't change the outcome.

    I truly don't know "training for self-defense" can be any difference from regular MA training. Will you punch in different way or kick in different way? I don't think so. If you want your technique to work, you still have to go through develop, test, enhance, and polish stages.

    What's your opinion on this?
    Self defense only requires that you survive.

    Of course one way to survive is to completely obliterate the other person.

    But that extreme is not necessary for just survival.

    Running away is self defense.

    Sometimes those that don't like training aggressive intent will say they train just self defense.

    But better to train for maximum overkill. Then you can choose how much of it to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -N- View Post
    Sometimes those that don't like training aggressive intent will say they train just self defense.
    It is difficult for a passive person to beat an aggressive fighter. Self defense mentality is in conflict with martial training.

    Without proper mindset it becomes bad acting.
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellen Bassette View Post
    It is difficult for a passive person to beat an aggressive fighter.
    True.

    But the "self defense" person doesn't need to beat the other person and win.

    They just have to survive.

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    'Self-defense' is a catchphrase used as a reason for training martial arts in the West since at least the 1800s. As in boxing being referred to as 'the manly art of self-defense'. The term 'art of self-defense' was applied to Asian MA (Judo/Jujutsu) when they became known in the West.

    Of course, true MA were originally for dispatching other people by all means necessary. However, from a legal standpoint, you may be better off saying that you train for self-defense, if use of your skills ever results in a court case. Imagine testifying that you train to kill people or send them to heaven.
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    Defending against an aggressor can be a great advantage as the brain will set off alarms for an adrenalin surge that an offensive minded enemy, especially in a wrongful situation may not be able to deploy. This has often been a great equalizer against odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    I truly don't know "training for self-defense" can be any difference from regular MA training. Will you punch in different way or kick in different way?
    I think those that say they train for self defense do differently from MA training to take out the other guy.

    You can turtle and wait for a chance to run, or you can go in like you are Buakaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    When someone said that "I train for self-defense". What does that mean?

    You can always say to "kill someone" is to "help someone to go to heaven". It doesn't matter what kind of nice words that you may use, when your "fist meets your opponent's face", your opponent is down and you are standing. Any nice words won't change the outcome.

    I truly don't know "training for self-defense" can be any difference from regular MA training. Will you punch in different way or kick in different way? I don't think so. If you want your technique to work, you still have to go through develop, test, enhance, and polish stages.

    What's your opinion on this?
    I train to learn how to stop the threat.

    Take that anyway you want it to mean. In a street type confrontation, home invasion, getting mugged, etc. You must stop the threat. That is my answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    When someone said that "I train for self-defense". What does that mean?

    You can always say to "kill someone" is to "help someone to go to heaven". It doesn't matter what kind of nice words that you may use, when your "fist meets your opponent's face", your opponent is down and you are standing. Any nice words won't change the outcome.

    I truly don't know "training for self-defense" can be any difference from regular MA training. Will you punch in different way or kick in different way? I don't think so. If you want your technique to work, you still have to go through develop, test, enhance, and polish stages.

    What's your opinion on this?
    I would say that to train for self defense, weapons trained any day training occurs, what can be trained with resistance and gear should be, what cannot must be drilled in shadow boxing. Shadowboxing occuring regularly in which you are having to deal with potential attack from 2, 3, 4, or all angles(and drill these with people, when you can get them). I can't think of anything else. I just like training, thoughts of self defense are more a fun theoretical model to adapt training to for me.

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    self-defense doesn't mean you can't beat the aggressor /attacker up or do damage to them, just means your main goal for learning how to fight is not for competition but to use it if someone tries assaulting you in real life.

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    Good topic. Self-defense method is another name for MA. But they are not the same IMHO. Self-defense is an important part of MA. And there are various ways to defend ourself. So to those who want to train up self-defense skill, they should train all these ways, and apply them appropriately in different situations.



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