Jum Sau is a punch using the concept of Fook Sau to me but I appreciate that there are many other lineages that use it for other things and they all think they are right and others are wrong as well!!Originally Posted by LFJ
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Jum Sau is a punch using the concept of Fook Sau to me but I appreciate that there are many other lineages that use it for other things and they all think they are right and others are wrong as well!!
"Ving Tsun is a horse not everybody can ride"
Wong Shun Leung.
GM of Hadaka Korosu
Sifu Paul Whitrod has a whole dvd on "specialty fists" like the PE fist, the hammer fist, the ginger fist and so forth.
Not bad at all.
Psalms 144:1
Praise be my Lord my Rock,
He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !
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Authenticity of old war stories in internet forum chats can be problematic- so no comment on the chow gar story.
PE, Hammer and ginger fist are not unknown in wing chun and not imported from chow gar.
They are present seamlessly in the biu gee and the mok jong work that I learned.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9DGa...4434EFE74EE168
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bktEcAMFey4
Here is the hammer fist known as Gao choi being practiced http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2IcqpZL1U
Last edited by kung fu fighter; 01-10-2014 at 02:17 PM.
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Yes but different engines in use and none of the bobbing and ducking needed in wing chun.
By the way there have been successful wing chun people in full contact against muay thai in the Ho Kam Ming line-
including Lam Fai ming who also became a full contact champion in Hong Kong.
..using wing chun.
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I agree! WCK use of elbow force power generation and snake engine are superior to SPM's engine in my opinion.
To be Honest I was impressed with Lui Min Fai's use of elbow force and structure, but definately did not think much of his footwork starting at 7:08 into this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZTsCikeJ4, he adopted sloppy boxing footwork instead of sticking to WCK footwork. I think the use of Footwork in WSL's linage is superior to Lui Min Fai's. However I respect him for getting in there with thais and winning some matches.
Does Tam Tam apply his WCK footwork similarly to Lui Min Fai?
Last edited by kung fu fighter; 01-10-2014 at 04:42 PM.
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Lam Fai Ming was far superior. But Luis is just playing with a novice-it is not a match.
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Do you have any clips of Lam Fai Ming that you can post?
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fast forward to 3.05 in this clip, not quite a ***** slap lol
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At 3.05 into this clip is a textbook example of how gao choi (hammer fist) is applied in SPM, and what the writer was discribing happend in the challenge match between WSL and the Chow Gar SPM fighter.
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Looks powerful. The same rumor factory said wsl beat 9 praying mantis guys in one month, maybe they didn't exchange notes ?
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really out of what school were they from, who was there teacher, and what were the challangers names?
because this rumour did listed a school and a person who took part (so if anyone is inclined they could check i suppose) , only fair you do the same,
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I am sorry, but I just cannot seem to get into really caring about whether or not WSL got beat by a Chow Gar guy or not.
I don't think anyone would discount that WSL was a good, possibly great fighter. No one is unbeatable and it really is a numbers game. In other words if I have 100 fights and I lose ten of them then I am still at 90% and still impressive. Now if I had 100 fights and lost 90 of them it would be far less impressive. Based on the stories and the reputation of WC I would say that the former percentage is more likely than the later, but again does it matter?
Today we have too many who seem to want to ride the coattails of those who have proven themselves. If I studied with Sifu A then I must also be good because he won so many fights, etc. A great fighter is not always a good teacher, look to any sport and you can confirm this.
To me the important thing is whether or not the art you study meets your needs. If it does then that is all there is, as well as considering your motivation for training. If you want to present your way as a highly effective method of combat then you should be able to provide examples of your line in combat, not necessarily sport situations but street situation as well. And such examples should not be the vague references which are so often generated.
I am sorry but to me the important thing is whether what I do meets my needs, not whether or not Sifu A beat or was beaten some 50 years ago.
Just saying..............................
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There is a huge difference between southern and northern Praying mantis, they are completely different styles. SO i don't disagree that WSL probably beat 9 praying mantis guys, WSL had an impressive challenge fight record, however the only times i heard he lost was against this chow Gar SPM guy, against another guy in Tiwan where he got hit with a low strike, and possibly in the 1960's when a wing chun team of 16 fighters went to challenge some thaiboxers and all lost. Losing 3 out of something like 60 fights is not so bad. He is still the best wing chun fighter whom proved himself in my opinion.
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WSL became the best known fighter in Ip Man's first generation of HK students.
Whether he was the best or most knowledgeable- are matters of opinion.
The wc/ muay thai students had a second round later- the wc guys did much better it seems.
But in the larger scheme of things what an individual can do is what matters.
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