PBVT Sparring Clip

[LFJ]

Granted it is controlled and not continuous, but it's the closest thing to full sparring shown from PBVT so far, I think.

Personally, I think there could still be a lot more forward pressure used. The good thing about it though, is that it doesn't fall apart and turn into slap fighting when it comes away from the chi-sau environment, like so many others.

[Frost]

it doesnt turn into a slap fest because there is no contact.
Its really nothing more than chi sao done at a non contact range, both parties are doing wing chun attacks and not making any contact, wing chun will always work in that situation, hell any art will work if both parties agree to use it and to not hit each other......but it will turn into a slap fest as soon as they actually start hitting each other and working against non wing chun attacks

[Graham H]

it doesnt turn into a slap fest because there is no contact.
Its really nothing more than chi sao done at a non contact range, both parties are doing wing chun attacks and not making any contact, wing chun will always work in that situation, hell any art will work if both parties agree to use it and to not hit each other......but it will turn into a slap fest as soon as they actually start hitting each other and working against non wing chun attacks

Would you call this forward pressure, trying to hit each other and no slapping??

I check in from time to time Frost and all I ever see is you still slating Wing Chun but not offering anything to show how you would do it better. Nothing changes huh?

[Frost]

Would you call this forward pressure, trying to hit each other and no slapping??

I check in from time to time Frost and all I ever see is you still slating Wing Chun but not offering anything to show how you would do it better. Nothing changes huh?

honestly even with the gloves and head gear they were still pulling their punches but it was better than the first clip that's for sure

[Graham H]

honestly even with the gloves and head gear they were still pulling their punches but it was better than the first clip that's for sure

If they didn't pull their punches then how can they train? Both of those guys can hit like a muel so why end things so quick? How can anybody improve anything by somebody getting flattened after 30 secs?

Maybe you should think of that.

These guys are not competing or fighting each other through anger.

[Frost]

If they didn't pull their punches then how can they train? Both of those guys can hit like a muel so why end things so quick? How can anybody improve anything by somebody getting flattened after 30 secs?

Maybe you should think of that.

These guys are not competing or fighting each other through anger.

its not about hitting like a mule and you know that, its about being under enough pressure so you can test your structure, and im not saying you should do this all the time, but if you are putting on head gear and gloves, then make the.most out of it. It doesn't look like they are hitting hard to me, but it if they are and it is testing structure and ability under pressure then that's great

[YouKnowWho]

If they didn't pull their punches then how can they train?

One training that I like is very simple. Your opponent just use left and right hay-makers that aiming at the side of your head with 50% power and full speed. You only use jab and cross and aiming your opponent's forehead or side of the face (not on the nose) also with 50% power and full speed. So you or your opponent may get hit a couple of times on the head. No big deal. It's just part of training.

It's so funny that there was a period of time that I didn't get hit on the face, my self-confidence went down because I didn't know whether I could still take a full shot on my head or not. If I constantly got hit on my head, my self-confidence was even higher.

When you think that any of your opponent's full power shot can knock you down, you will be nervous. When you have realized that it's not that easy for your opponent to knock you down, your will be much calmer and relax with self-confidence. So to get hit on the head is not all that bad as long as both you and your opponent are only using "50%" power. You can always increase that 50% to 60% or even higher after you and your opponent get used to it and have mutual trust on each other.

IMO, sparring with no contact is a bad idea.

[k gledhill]

Would you call this forward pressure, trying to hit each other and no slapping??

I check in from time to time Frost and all I ever see is you still slating Wing Chun but not offering anything to show how you would do it better. Nothing changes huh?

Good stuff ; ) MK is fast. The knife sparring will probably get the same criticism ; )

[Wayfaring]

Good stuff ; ) MK is fast. The knife sparring will probably get the same criticism ; )

They are moving with live energy. They are properly geared up at times showing they are acclimatizing to harder striking sparring. The knife sparring is properly geared with live movements.

You can kind of see the newer guy tense up on impact and lose vision and mobility. But that will change within a few months if they keep doing these types of sparring rounds.

Good enough criticism for you?

[k gledhill]

They are moving with live energy. They are properly geared up at times showing they are acclimatizing to harder striking sparring. The knife sparring is properly geared with live movements.

You can kind of see the newer guy tense up on impact and lose vision and mobility. But that will change within a few months if they keep doing these types of sparring rounds.

Good enough criticism for you?

Never good enough, keep practicing Wayfaring and one day , who knows you may become a master critic.
One day you may make the perfect mindless critique ; )
Criticize hard my friend.

[Paddington]

Would you call this forward pressure, trying to hit each other and no slapping??
[...]

I really enjoyed that video, particularly the brief segment with the knives. Thanks.

On the video posted in the opening post; do people not find that more traditional guard / starting position a bit weak? Specifically, with that back hand resting on the other arm I've found it to be easily exploited.

[Sihing73]

Specifically, with that back hand resting on the other arm I've found it to be easily exploited.

Hello,

Not sure what lineage you trained in, I have trained in a few different lineages of Wing Chun.
In none of them was I taught to rest the back/rear hand on the other arm.
If you are referring to the Man Sau Wu Sau position there is a definite gap between the arms. The rear hand rests in line with the elbow of the front arm but does not touch or rest on it, at least not in how I was trained.

There are other arts which use a concept known as "double-hand" in which they will utilize both arms together with one being the support of the other. This is found in Silat and Kali to name a few and if trained properly they do not make it easy to exploit, IMHO.

EDIT: My apologies Paddington, I had not watched the video clip but upon viewing it I see what you are talking about. It does appear that the rear hand is kept very close to the front arm and there are spots where the rear hand actually touches the upper arm of the front arm. Not sure what that is all about, certainly not the way I was trained and I would think it would violate center-line as the rear hand would actually be off the mid line in order to touch the other arm.

[LFJ]

He explains the guard in this video:

[LFJ]

I would think it would violate center-line as the rear hand would actually be off the mid

This guard requires a particular fight strategy as a whole with tactical footwork, angling, striking methods, timing, etc. which differ in a lot of Wing Chun systems. The importance of centerline is to protect and dominate, not necessarily to be sitting on the line. It can still be taken from you. This guard facilitates that as explained in the video.

[LFJ]

it doesnt turn into a slap fest because there is no contact.

If they didn't pull the punches placed on the other's face, nothing would change in the exchange except that it would end sooner and they'd be injured.

Its really nothing more than chi sao done at a non contact range, both parties are doing wing chun attacks and not making any contact, wing chun will always work in that situation,

Well of course a VT fighter is going to fight using VT. I don't see them doing chi-sau though.