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    Last Saturday (2 days ago), In The 4th Annual "Lone Star" Championship January 24-26 in Houston, Tx, I was helping to judge WC sticky hands (or WC sparring) the 1st time in my life. When the chief judge announced the rules that

    - It's not a competition. Ego attitude is not allowed.
    - Only straight punches are allowed. Uppercut and hook (or haymaker) are not allowed.
    - Every strikes "should not" touch on any part of your opponent's body.
    - Both arms should remain contact with your opponent's arms. You can't dis-connect it.
    - No kicks are allowed.
    - You should always stand in WC stance and should not stand in forward backward stance.

    I then realized that the WC sticky hand training (not sure I should call it WC sparring) is far from "full contact".
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    That sounds pretty stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    That sounds pretty stupid.
    At the end of each sparring, the main judge would asked individual judges to give comments. When it was my term to give comment, I didn't know what to say.

    If both of your arms are touching on your opponent's arms, when your opponent intends to punch you, you can sense it from the arm contact. It's very easy to redirect your opponent's force in the early stage (just like the clinch). The problem is in reality, your arms just won't be able to touch on your opponent's arm for so long. May be this is why the hook punch is not allowed. Your arm will be dis-connected from your opponent's arm right away. I also don't understand why kicking is not allowed.

    What I don't understand is the main judge had said that this is not a competition. But individual judges had to count who could hit the other guy more and gave winner to him. How can you try to win but not allowed to have ego attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    That sounds pretty stupid.
    I agree. More fabricated system nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    At the end of each sparring, the main judge would asked individual judges to give comments. When it was my term to give comment, I didn't know what to say.

    If both of your arms are touching on your opponent's arms, when your opponent intends to punch you, you can sense it from the arm contact. It's very easy to redirect your opponent's force in the early stage (just like the clinch). The problem is in reality, your arms just won't be able to touch on your opponent's arm for so long. May be this is why the hook punch is not allowed. Your arm will be dis-connected from your opponent's arm right away. I also don't understand why kicking is not allowed.

    What I don't understand is the main judge had said that this is not a competition. But individual judges had to count who could hit the other guy more and gave winner to him. How can you try to win and but not allowed to have ego attitude.
    Exactly. .............

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The problem is in reality, your arms just won't be able to touch on your opponent's arm for so long.

    Absolutely true but unfortunately the basis for most of today's Wing Chun. This idea simply doesn't work and is illogical for fighting. Anybody with an ounce of sense or experience will know that.

    When people protest that this IS the idea of Wing Chun (to stick to arms) then they are either stupid or inexperienced. Fact!
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    At the end of each sparring, the main judge would asked individual judges to give comments. When it was my term to give comment, I didn't know what to say.

    If both of your arms are touching on your opponent's arms, when your opponent intends to punch you, you can sense it from the arm contact. It's very easy to redirect your opponent's force in the early stage (just like the clinch). The problem is in reality, your arms just won't be able to touch on your opponent's arm for so long. May be this is why the hook punch is not allowed. Your arm will be dis-connected from your opponent's arm right away. I also don't understand why kicking is not allowed.

    What I don't understand is the main judge had said that this is not a competition. But individual judges had to count who could hit the other guy more and gave winner to him. How can you try to win and but not allowed to have ego attitude.
    to me the appeal of a sporting event, regardless of the sport, is to see competitors go against one another in a realistic fashion. the more the rules interfere with what observers would consider "a realistic fashion", the less observers can relate and the less they are attracted to the sport.

    chi sau IMO has NEVER reached a format that accomplishes that for a sport. either the rule restrictions or the action itself is non-realistic enough that observers can't relate, thus it is not popular.

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    I believe the same problem also happen to the Taiji push hands. The sport Taiji push hands starts to look more and more like the "no legs" wrestling (since leg skills are not allowed). The sport WC sticky hands may also turn into "no hook/uppercut" boxing (since hook punch and uppercut are not allowed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by k gledhill View Post
    My quipping is irrelevant
    True. And on the internet your punch says zip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HybridWarrior View Post


    nicely put!
    Thank you .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by anerlich View Post
    True. And on the internet your punch says zip.
    Agreed ; )

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