I'm not sure if we'll see Judo become the grappling art of choice for MMA, but certainly we can now laugh as the folks who still might think "BJJ+MT/everything else is ****". If you are running an MMA club and say "no thanks" to Judo, you are turning your back on:
-full body toughening
-throws and takedowns that can be easily adapted given an upright position
-a proven method of training that can be adapted to a lot of different abilities
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Because they are not willing to let their body to be thrown on the ground 200 times daily. The throwing art is not for everybody. If you don't consider break fall as "free body massage", the throwing art is not for you.
I had many students who look as strong as football players. The moment that you throw them over your head, the moment that their face turned pale and never come back.
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wrestling mixed with BJJ, great combo. Wrestling in itself is takedown oriented and once down about dominant position. BJJ position to submission- so they go together very neatly. Nothing wrong with Judo, great stuff, learn it all I say. Don't be boxed in by just learning one set of skills.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.
That's one reason there's an advantage in beginning a throwing art such as judo before you are fully-grown. You get used to falling, rolling and being thrown early in life, and the body is more supple and recovers much faster. IMO, it would be more difficult (but of course not impossible) starting out as an adult.
Your premise doesn't make sense. BJJ was created from JUDO, not jujutsu.
"Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (practiced as Judo) was introduced to the Gracie family in Brazil around 1914 by Esai Maeda, who was also known as Conde Koma. Maeda was a champion of Jiu-Jitsu and a direct student of Kano, at the Kodokan in Japan. He was born in 1878, and became a student of Judo (Kano’s Jiu-Jitsu) in 1897.
http://www.gracieacademy.com/history.asp
The website uses the terms interchangeably, yet koryu jujutsu and judo are different arts. Maeda studied Judo at the Kodokan under Kano. I have not seen any historical evidence that he studied any of the myriad styles of jujutsu.
Helio Gracie later modified what he knew to develop his own version of judo. However, it was based on the judo that he had learned.
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IMO, the Judo guys have better "throwing resistance" and "counter throw" skill than the BJJ guys. In average, it's much harder to throw a Judo guy than to throw a BJJ guy.
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Last edited by Kellen Bassette; 01-21-2014 at 09:44 AM.
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Well considering the whole game plan of someone in BJJ is to get to the ground it's kinda null and void. I agree the manner of delivery is important (you don't want to land on your head or something) but most takedowns Ive seen from BJJ is an entanglement drag to the ground. That's why I think wrestling and BJJ together make a very good compliment to one another. wrestling has excellent takedowns and BJJ has excellent submissions.IMO, the Judo guys have better "throwing resistance" and "counter throw" skill than the BJJ guys. In average, it's much harder to throw a Judo guy than to throw a BJJ guy.
Originally posted by BawangOriginally posted by Bawangi had an old taichi lady talk smack behind my back. i mean comon man, come on. if it was 200 years ago,, mebbe i wouldve smacked her and took all her monehs.i am manly and strong. do not insult me cracker.