I think Judo is going to overtake BJJ as the grappling art of choice for MMA

[MightyB]

Because the game seems to be played differently nowadays, I think Judo is going to overtake BJJ as the grappling art of choice for MMA.

Check this video out to see what I mean.

[Frost]

umm what video??
Anyway i think you are wrong, BJJ isnt the grappling art of choice for MMA its the ground art of choice, and this isnt going to change it has a larger range of submissions and uses then better than judo, judo time limits mean the submission game isnt as well developed and the pinning game isnt really suitable for mma

The standing grappling art of choice is wrestling, and it always will be, it allows direct leg attacks which judo doesnt, does not reply on gripping cloth to set up its takedowns and throws, and since it doenst allow for ippon it leads from throw to pin/control better that judo, you rarely see wrestling sacrificing ground poisitional control for a big throw, you see this in judo all the time

[MightyB]

umm what video??

Click your mouse on the word "Video" on my original post and it links to a FB video. You may have to be logged in to Facebook to see it.

[MightyB]

anyway - Judo's better than wrastl'n

Rousey will prove it in UFC 170

[MightyB]

judo time limits mean the submission game isnt as well developed and the pinning game isnt really suitable for mma

I disagree - that's really why it's better in today's MMA environment.

[YouKnowWho]

I disagree - that's really why it's better in today's MMA environment.

One of my guys has 15 years wrestling experience. Both his father and his brother are wrestling coaches. He had won the 2nd place region wrestling tournament. He didn't do very well in his 1st jacket throw tournament. IMO, if you don't train Gi environment, you won't be good in Gi environment.

Next time you have to fight your opponent in the street, will he have T-shirt on or winter jacket on? You will never know.

[MightyB]

One of my guys has 15 years wrestling experience. Both his father and his brother are wrestling coaches. He had won the 2nd place region wrestling tournament. He didn't do very well in his 1st jacket throw tournament. IMO, if you don't train Gi environment, you won't be good in Gi environment.

Next time you have to fight your opponent in the street, will he have T-shirt on or winter jacket on? You will never know.

I'm just looking at MMA - some of what Frost says is true on face value, but most Judoka now are interested in MMA - so there's a lot of no gi practice and a lot of people have brought in some of the holds and leg locks from jiu jitsu and Sambo to their clubs. So it's more well rounded than before. A good judo club will beat you and toughen you up. There's even newaza only tournaments that look like BJJ, except faster.

The rules changes meant that judoka had to be faster, more explosive, and more decisive - these are qualities that should do well in the modern MMA environment. I do think BJJ will always dominate submission grappling because that's what they do - but some of that stuff that's winning submission tourneys doesn't cross over into the MMA environment. For example, A lot of the leg submission hunters look like snakes spawning when they grapple each other - it's cool in it's own context, but there's so many opportunities for them to get their clocks rocked that to attempt to do it in MMA would be suicide.

[YouKnowWho]

there's a lot of no gi practice ...

This issue had bothered me quite a bit. Should one start from

1. Gi environment and just stay there without worrying about the no-Gi environment.
2. no Gi environment and just stay there without worrying about the Gi environment.
3. Gi environment and move into no-Gi environment,
4. no Gi environment and move into Gi environment,

When my wrestling student came to me, I started him with no-Gi environment. I didn't teach him the Gi-environment. It ends up with him to lose his 1st jacket tournament. It was my fault because I made a wrong assumption that "If you are good in no-Gi environment, you will be good in Gi environment by default". I was wrong.

So option 1 is not acceptable if one wants to compete in MMA. Option 2 is also not valid that was counter proved by my wrestling student. We have option 3 and option 4 left. Which approach is better?

[Kellen Bassette]

Next time you have to fight your opponent in the street, will he have T-shirt on or winter jacket on? You will never know.

Probably depends on the weather.

[MightyB]

Probably depends on the weather.

Today, 17 degrees F and cloudy.

[Frost]

I disagree - that's really why it's better in today's MMA environment.

what no neck cranks, no guillotines, no shoulder locks, no leg locks, no pressure on the back of the head? what makes this set up better than bjj for subs?
scarf hold as a pin, pins that dont advance your position but which score an ipon after 20 secs hold down, escapes from a pin by simply breaking their legs open, no real guard game all of these are of no real use in MMA

[MightyB]

what no neck cranks, no guillotines, no shoulder locks, no leg locks, no pressure on the back of the head? what makes this set up better than bjj for subs?
scarf hold as a pin, pins that dont advance your position but which score an ipon after 20 secs hold down, escapes from a pin by simply breaking their legs open, no real guard game all of these are of no real use in MMA

Gene Lebell

[Frost]

Gene Lebell

so that's your arguement, a guy who started out as a catch guy and mixed his judo with a lifetime of catch wrestling, seriously that's your trump card

[mooyingmantis]

Because the game seems to be played differently nowadays, I think Judo is going to overtake BJJ as the grappling art of choice for MMA.

Check this video out to see what I mean.

Your premise doesn't make sense. BJJ was created from JUDO, not jujutsu.

"Japanese Jiu-Jitsu (practiced as Judo) was introduced to the Gracie family in Brazil around 1914 by Esai Maeda, who was also known as Conde Koma. Maeda was a champion of Jiu-Jitsu and a direct student of Kano, at the Kodokan in Japan. He was born in 1878, and became a student of Judo (Kano’s Jiu-Jitsu) in 1897.

http://www.gracieacademy.com/history.asp

The website uses the terms interchangeably, yet koryu jujutsu and judo are different arts. Maeda studied Judo at the Kodokan under Kano. I have not seen any historical evidence that he studied any of the myriad styles of jujutsu.

Helio Gracie later modified what he knew to develop his own version of judo. However, it was based on the judo that he had learned.

[YouKnowWho]

IMO, the Judo guys have better "throwing resistance" and "counter throw" skill than the BJJ guys. In average, it's much harder to throw a Judo guy than to throw a BJJ guy.