This will probably start all kinds of fun...

[KPM]

not speaking about kesyi but that is a lot different from crazy monkey, the whole idea with CM is your hands are already up and covering and moving and you only have to make a small movement which doesnt rely on you having very good speed or reaction times, this is almost like the Filipino gunting or destruction techniques if you have the reaction and timing to make this work then why bother you should be quick enough to slip move and counter

Why bother? If you can break an attacker's hand just before you close with him, isn't that better than just slipping out of the way?

[sanjuro_ronin]

not speaking about kesyi but that is a lot different from crazy monkey, the whole idea with CM is your hands are already up and covering and moving and you only have to make a small movement which doesnt rely on you having very good speed or reaction times, this is almost like the Filipino gunting or destruction techniques if you have the reaction and timing to make this work then why bother you should be quick enough to slip move and counter

Hence my statement that it is a "type".

[MightyB]

Hence my statement that it is a "type".

Sanjuro and Frost