Originally Posted by
KPM
Hold on Hunter, didn't you say this way back in post #3 of this thread?
Jui Wan knew YKS and his wing chun. Jui Wan was already a wing chun Sifu in his own right when he left Fatshan for Hong Kong. Jui Wan is the only credible source that knew and trained with Yip Man, Yui Choi, YKS and the other wing chun people in Fatshan.
Jui Wan said that in Fatshan Yip Mans wing chun was like everyone else's. However in Hong Kong Yip Man's wing chun was different and much better. So much so that Jui Wan studied under Yip Man. To this point in time every story teller I have heard talking about Yip Man learning advanced things from YKS and YKS really being Leung Bik has ignored the only person that was a wing chun sifu in both Fatshan and Hong Kong and knew Yip and his wing chun in both places. Yip may have trained with YKS but the wing chun that impressed Jui Wan was not YKS wing chun. Jui Wan was clear that whatever Yip was now doing with him was different that what was being done in Fatshan.
Am I missing something? You said that Jiu Wan knew and trained with Yip Man, Yiu Choi, and YKS in Fatshan and that he noted that Yip Man's Wing Chun was like everyone else's. But in Hong Kong Yip Man's Wing Chun was better. You did say that didn't you? Doesn't it follow then that if Yip Man had studied with Leung Bik while at St. Stephen's and that Leung Bik's influence was the big difference, that difference would have been noticeable when he returned to Fatshan? Isn't that a logical conclusion from Jiu Wan's testimony? I am giving Jiu Wan's word its just due and now you are denying it? Where have I misrepresented what you said?
And wouldn't Jiu Wan's testimony of Yip Man's Wing Chun being no different that YKS's and YC's in Foshan disprove JP's comment:
Actually, wasn't the story when he went back home? That he was besting all of his old sihings with what he had learned and the all accused him of having 'mixed something else into his WC'?
So again, where have I misrepresented you?