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    Red boat pre 1855 kam's art

    Why do we know yik kam art is very very likely to be a pre 1855 redboat art?

    Because there are multiple data of the pre 1855 era can be verify with.




    A,

    the history background is there was a pre 1855 red boat opera group which is an anti Qing , hung mun, uprising group lead by Lee Man Mau, and there was a post 1870 opera group which are not the same group but Qing gorverment support group. Between 1855 to 1870 , about 15 years, opera was ban by Qing gorverment.

    So, when one refer to the red boat Wck ancestors who is anti Qing, it is in general refer to the pre 1855 group.



    B,
    at the era of pre 1855, there are common term uses at that time among the hung mun a anti Qing members, today we can find these common denominator term within The small knive group of Shang hai , choy li fut, and yik kam SLT kuit.


    C,

    it is recorded in the official history of china that, lee man mau of the red boat opera and the small knive group of Shang hai were partners in the red boat uprising of the 1854 era, and the small knive group of Shang hai also related to the Taiping Heavenly kingdom.

    It is also known that choy li fut is the martial art uses to train the Taiping Heavenly kingdom army.


    D, In the era of pre 1855 or pre red boat uprising , we know, the term Hung Ying or its backward writing as Ying Hung or hero are the common term used among the Shang hai small knive group, the Choy li fut , and yik kam SLT kuit on the closing salutation.


    This term were not seen post 1860's after the uprising of red boat and taiping heavenly kingdom destroyed.



    E, the closing salutation kui of yik kam art is

    Yc13劍指膀肘呈英雄
    Sword finger bong elbow present to the hero

    Notice the Hero or Ying hung term



    F, in the attach choy li fut photos show the Ying Hung term used and 1848 related

    G, also the badge of the small knive "Hung ying " group of Shang hai
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    From the same CLF book.

    Please read also the previous CLF photo to see it is 1848 related
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    The badge of small knive Hung Ying group of Shang hai
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    The link of small knive group, Taiping heavenly kingdom , Hung Mu , anti Qing
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    The Hung ying coin.


    Within the attach description
    "Under the door of Hung martial , Hero were born in every generation "
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    Yik kam salutation which represent



    Yc13劍指膀肘呈英雄
    Sword finger bong elbow present to the Hero


    Kuit from the YKSLT part 4
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    the yik kam Wck salutation above is based on this attached Chinese opera cheography , the yik kam salutation show its opera art identity, and yik kam identity as a red boat opera actor and a hung mun anti qing.


    Yik kam slt kuit says:


    Yc13劍指膀肘呈英雄
    Sword finger bong elbow present to the Hero
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    The half point kuit of the yik kam lineage Wck , based on Gm Cheong Wei Poh Cho family lineage.

    Notice the yellow marking say, Stable the Taiping.
    Taiping as in Taiping Heavenly Kingdom.
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    Thus, form the above Salutation kuit , pole kuit, and salutation cheography from the Yik kam art.

    We do know,

    The yik kam art, Does fit into the pre 1855 red boat opera , by the verification from the hung mun, choy li fut, red boat opera uprising history, taiping heavenly kingdom uprising history.

    We know the term Hung Ying or Ying Hung (hero) is a common denominator term of that era. And softer that era, this term seldom seen later.

    Thus, Wck kuit without the Ying Hung term is very likely to be post 1855 or belongs to post red boat uprising.




    With these above,

    We do know what is likely today in term of the

    DNA or mother art of the YKSLT . The red boat uprising involvement.

    Thus, we do have a snap short on what is likely to happen in pre 1855 on board of the red boat opera and Wck at that era.


    And we know the so called shao Lin in that era is hung mun or heaven and eart society instead of Shao Lin temple.

    http://www.mnwhstq.com/qztsgfile%5C研...0;究.pdf
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    Thus,

    Is CLF from Shaolin? Yik kam WCK from Shaolin?

    Extremely not likely, what extremely likely is replace the term SHAOLIN with HUNG MUN. These people all belongs to the anti Qing hung mun . And their martial art have different mother arts


    Nothing come out from blue, 160 years is not too far away and can be tracked from multiple sources. Facts do tell the story .
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    Both Chan Heung and Jeung Hung Sing's schools were deeply connected to the Hung Mun. All the way up to the Xinhai revolution that overthrew the Qing in 1911. Choy Lee Fut people were heavily instrumental to the Hung Mun. Now, it's my personal opinion that Chan Heung's first teacher was one of the Five founders of Hung Mun. Jeung Hung Sing was also a student of one of the hung mun five founders. The five founders were shaolin monks. What many people don't realize when "Shaolin" was the focus.....not all shaolin temple's were named "SHAOLIN". Knowing this, the temple the five founders were members of may not have been titled "SHAOLIN" but under a different name, while still being shaolin.
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
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    Red boat 1850


    Put all your angels on the edge
    Keep all the roses, I'm not dead
    I left a thorn under your bed

    I'm never gone

    Go tell the world I'm still around
    I didn't fly, I'm coming down

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUIX...=youtube_gdata

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    Both Chan Heung and Jeung Hung Sing's schools were deeply connected to the Hung Mun. All the way up to the Xinhai revolution that overthrew the Qing in 1911. Choy Lee Fut people were heavily instrumental to the Hung Mun. Now, it's my personal opinion that Chan Heung's first teacher was one of the Five founders of Hung Mun. Jeung Hung Sing was also a student of one of the hung mun five founders. The five founders were shaolin monks. What many people don't realize when "Shaolin" was the focus.....not all shaolin temple's were named "SHAOLIN". Knowing this, the temple the five founders were members of may not have been titled "SHAOLIN" but under a different name, while still being shaolin.
    Could possible be too!


    This is a very good research article on southern shaolin if you have Chinese translator

    http://www.mnwhstq.com/qztsgfile%5C研...0;究.pdf

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    We know the term Hung Ying or Ying Hung (hero) is a common denominator term of that era. And softer that era, this term seldom seen later.
    Ying Hung meaning hero's is a common theme amongst revolutionary fighters. However, Hong Ying is in reference to a certain individual highly regarded by the Hung Mun.
    I was actually the Vice Chairman of Hung Mun's "Hong Ying Ser"........
    Last edited by hskwarrior; 04-10-2014 at 10:55 AM.
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    Bruh we thought you knew better
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    The image below belongs to one of the five hung mun founders who was designated to cover guangzhou and Guangxi areas. The triangle with the hung word indicates just to what lodge this belongs to

    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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