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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    Ying Hung meaning hero's is a common theme amongst revolutionary fighters. However, Hong Ying is in reference to a certain individual highly regarded by the Hung Mun.
    I was actually the Vice Chairman of Hung Mun's "Hong Ying Ser"........
    Thank you and very appreciate for your sharing!

    These information help us get good view from different site on red boat uprising era!

  2. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    The image below belongs to one of the five hung mun founders who was designated to cover guangzhou and Guangxi areas. The triangle with the hung word indicates just to what lodge this belongs to


    Yes!

    Guangzhou and guangxi areas link to Red boat opera uprising as we can see in the history.

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    Yik kam Wck salutation gesture with Wck technics

    Left high tan sau ( using today's common naming) right fook kuen presenting "Over turn the Qing"
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    In the picture about you circled "loong Bai Mei".......

    is that significant of something?
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Left fook sau right high tan kuen as the gesture of " restore Ming"
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    Late Gm Cho Hung Choy presenting

    " Five lakes Four seas " implement with sun punch and finger thrust.



    As we can see, all these gesture of anti Qing are implemented with WCK technics and in the center line position. According to my late sifu Cho hung choy, In the ancient time, the salutation tell the identity of the person and the art on training in.

    In these case, the yik kam Wck salutation shows

    It is the art of Wck, the Hung mun, and by the Opera people.
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  7. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    In the picture about you circled "loong Bai Mei".......

    is that significant of something?
    A
    Some how, after Yik Kam time , later,
    some one in Cho family evolve his Siu Nim tau with CLF as show in this attached Siu nim tau kuit.

    The "loong bai mei" of CLF was in this kuit as circled in yellow and red.


    B
    So, there are the kuit or writing yik kam passed down, and there are kuit which is an evolution within Cho family later. Cho family has both type of kuit depend on different Cho family off spring lineages.


    C
    Always great to have you here to share from CLF and Hung Mun side,
    It is important so that wcners can know i don't make up these stuffs!
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    From the Hung Mun persepctive, in southern China styles (especially fut san) like wing chun, hung Sing Choy Lee Fut, and Hung Gar kuen were all members of the Hung Mun. each school taught their own groups, but all those schools were "HUNG" family schools. So, yes, WC is a Hung Mun style, specifically Jeung Hung Sing's lineage was created and developed strictly for the Hung Mun even though we are of the CLF family,and of course Hung Gar Kuen are members of "Hung Gar" or the family of Hung (which includes said styles amongst others).

    Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut IS a Hung "(洪)" Family fighting method



    by Sifu Frank McCarthy 02-18-14

    Hung Gar (洪家) gung fu is one of the more famous styles of Chinese Martial Arts to come from Southern China. "Hung" (洪) means Vast, Flood, and is a surname, while Gar (家) means family. This style was founded by Hung Hei Gung and further popularized by people like Wong Fei Hung. The martial arts its members practiced came to be called "Hung Gar" and "Hung Kuen" deep low stances, powerful hand techniques, and their trademarked Hung Gar bridge hand. They also have a strong connection with the Chinese secret society known as the Hung Mun 洪門 (Hung Gate). In fact, the majority of southern styles of gung fu were deeply intertwined with the secret society.
    The Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon (佛山洪勝/鴻勝舘) as founded by Jeung Hung Sing and his Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut (鴻勝蔡李佛) system is one of those styles categorized within the realm of "Hung Gar Kuen" or Hung Family Fist. Let me explain, I'm not saying we are part of the Hung Gar Kung Fu system, you won't see us doing their identifiable Kiu Sow. However, what I am saying is that the fighting method of Hung Sing Choy Lee fut created by Jeung Hung Sing is indeed an art with deep roots to the Hung Mun aka Hung Family. Contrary to popular belief, Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut wasn't established for Chan Heung in order to spread and promote the "Choy Lee Fut" style. It was exclusively created and developed to become a fighting art of the Hung Mun aka Hung Society and utilized in warfare right away.
    Jeung Yim never completed Chan Heung's Choy Lee Fut system and therefore could not have been representing Choy Lee Fut between the years of 1841-1867 for a few reasons. In 1841 Chan Heung was forced to ask Jeung Hung Sing to leave the Chan village in King Mui and instructed him to go to the Baat Pai Mountain which is found in the LouDing Province near the border of Guangxi. Jeung Yim was to locate a monk who went by the name of Ching Cho (Green Grass) to see if he would be able to complete his gung fu training. After he found the monk his training took 8 years to finish learning the Shaolin Fut Gar system. Then the Green Grass monk gives him a new name and instructions that would change Jeung Yim's life forever.
    In the time that Jeung Yim was away learning a new style under Monk Ching Cho, Chan Heung continued to develop his Choy Lee Fut system. It's entirely safe to state that Jeung Yim didn't get a chance to update his Choy Lee Fut training under Chan Heung during those years because of his absence. In fact, there's no mention of Chan Heung in Jeung Hung Sing's life between 1841-1867 and two and half plus decades is a long time to not be in Choy Lee Fut's picture. Imagine how far Choy Lee Fut advanced by that time and Jeung Yim wasn't there to pick any of that up. Still, he had whatever he learned from Chan Heung for those first 5 years.
    Another thing contrary to popular belief was Jeung Ah Yim wasn't sent to Fut San to establish a Choy Lee Fut school for Chan Heung. As a matter of fact, it was Monk Ching Cho who sent him there for a purpose. In those days the Chinese secret society preferred to communicate their messages in the forms of ****nyms, metaphors and ambiguous poetry or slogans. First he changed Jeung Yim's name to Hung Sing (洪勝 - Hung Victory) which was an abridged version of the Hung Mun's "Mission Statement" about overthrowing the Qing Empire. The secret behind the name is that it means "the Hung Mun will be Victorious in overthrowing the Qing Dynasty".

    The next thing that Monk Ching Cho did was instruct the newly named Jeung Hung Sing to travel to Fut San in order to make contact with the triad leaders there. Then he was to set up a school to train the freedom fighters for the up and coming Tai Ping Rebellion. At the time the Sam Hop Wui had its headquarters in the city of Fut San. Its believed that Jeung Hung Sing was also a member of this section of the Hung Mun. Interestingly enough, the Sam Hop Wui was founded by the Green Grass Monk.

    Jeung Hung Sing and his direct disciples fought in every major uprising in southern China between 1851 and the time of his death in 1893. In all of Fut San Jeung Yim's "Hung Sing Kwoon" virtually encompassed the entire city. Eventually it grew into the "Hung Sing Wui" or Hung Sing Society. Although Jeung Hung Sing passed away, the connection to the Hung Society continued on through his students and grand students. Following in the same manner as their founder and Grand Master thousands of Hung Sing students rose up in revolution after revolution against homegrown and foreign aggression.

    In the eyes of those who were afraid to lose their position of power, Hung Sing students were rebels who associated themselves with "gangsters" and outlaws. In the eyes of the people, and later in the eyes of their government, Hung Sing students were heroes. Additionally, students of Chan Heung's legacy were also hero's because of their own part in the revolution. In fact, a couple of Chan Heung's grand students Cheng Si Leung, Chan Siu Bak were partners with Dr Sun Yat Sen in his mission to overthrow the Manchurians. Students like Yuen Hai and Chan Ngau Sing in addition to grand Students of Jeung Hung Sing like Chin Wai Fong, LiangGuihua, Li Guanghai, and Wu Qin played very crucial roles in events like the Xinhai Revolution of 1911 and the Japanese invasion.

    While Wu Qin became one of Dr. Sun Yat Sen's bodyguards for swimming out and planted a bomb on and sunk a Japanese war Ship, others were hired to teach combat at the Wampo Military Academy. Then over in the United States, the connection to the Hung Mun continued through Professor's Lau Bun and Jew Leong, Grand Master Dino Salvatera and Sifu Frank McCarthy. While there is no more revolutions taking place, the American Hung Sing Kwoon's involvement was always out of loyalty and tradition. As a student of Hung Sing and a member of the Hung Society I am very proud to be a part of this legacy that has been running through the veins of the Hung Sing Kwoon for more than 163 years now.

    As I sit back and reflect on the extensive relationship between Choy Lee Fut, Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut and the Hung Mun i see more clearly now that while Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut has its connection to Chan Heung's Choy Lee Fut, our lineage wasn't developed to benefit Chan Heung. It was undoubtedly created, designed, and utilized for the Hung Mun. It would be incorrect to say Chan Heung gave birth to Jeung Hung Sing's lineage. If indeed this was the case, you would find more than a few forms created and passed down by Chan Heung,but, the fact of the matter is that Fut San Hung Sing Kwoon doesn't possess one single form passed down within the King Mui, Jiangmen, Kong Chow, or any schools closely related to Chan Heung. Therefore, when comparing Choy Lee Fut and Hung Mun, all fingers point to us being a school of the Hung family.
    Hung for life.
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    李文茂,广东鹤山人,在1854年(咸丰四年),响应陈开在广东佛山举行的起义,聚众数万,七月与陈开起义 军围攻广州,称“平靖王”


    Lee man mau, from canton Hok San , at 1854 lead the red boat uprising ...

    The following is the coin based on his kingdom
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  10. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    From the Hung Mun persepctive, in southern China styles (especially fut san) like wing chun, hung Sing Choy Lee Fut, and Hung Gar kuen were all members of the Hung Mun. each school taught their own groups, but all those schools were "HUNG" family schools. So, yes, WC is a Hung Mun style, specifically Jeung Hung Sing's lineage was created and developed strictly for the Hung Mun even though we are of the CLF family,and of course Hung Gar Kuen are members of "Hung Gar" or the family of Hung (which includes said styles amongst others).

    Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut IS a Hung "(洪)" Family fighting method



    by Sifu Frank McCarthy 02-18-14


    Hung for life.


    Frank,

    Thanks!






    When wcners go before Leung Jan era in history , these are what we see when we enter 1840.

    Lucky that we still inherit lots of things in many different source to examine and verify the information!


    Hope that in the future with all these information and mother art DNA of Wck,

    The art of Wck can be a formal corse in the university under the Asia art department!
    Last edited by Hendrik; 04-10-2014 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    Ying Hung meaning hero's is a common theme amongst revolutionary fighters. However, Hong Ying is in reference to a certain individual highly regarded by the Hung Mun.
    I was actually the Vice Chairman of Hung Mun's "Hong Ying Ser"........
    Why the use of the masonic symbol? That would suggest strong links with the British and Europeans with regards to the opium wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hendrik View Post
    Yik kam salutation which represent



    Yc13劍指膀肘呈英雄
    Sword finger bong elbow present to the Hero


    Kuit from the YKSLT part 4
    Now that is a stance striking form that I have been waiting many years to see, much like the "eye of the needle" form, only TCMA WingChun base. You have my vote Hendrik, for coming across with the goods. (picture in post #6).
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    Yes!

    Guangzhou and guangxi areas link to Red boat opera uprising as we can see in the history.
    I'll state this much, the five hung mun ancestors were spread out across southern China occupying various regions. One of the monks took over the Guangzhou and guangxi area's. In these area's everyone part of the hung mun fell under that munks family of hung mun, regardless of having their own groups. Everyone in these area's i mentioned fell under the red flag only. i mean, pirates, bandits or whatever, they fell under that monk of the Hung Mun
    Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
    when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
    Bruh we thought you knew better
    when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better

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    Quote Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
    I'll state this much, the five hung mun ancestors were spread out across southern China occupying various regions. One of the monks took over the Guangzhou and guangxi area's. In these area's everyone part of the hung mun fell under that munks family of hung mun, regardless of having their own groups. Everyone in these area's i mentioned fell under the red flag only. i mean, pirates, bandits or whatever, they fell under that monk of the Hung Mun

    Frank,

    Thanks for sharing!

    Appreciate !

  15. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    Why the use of the masonic symbol? That would suggest strong links with the British and Europeans with regards to the opium wars.

    Opium war was 1839 era, after that the anti Qing wave rises ....

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