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    Anti-striking

    Here is the "big fist" strategy:

    - Hold both of your hands into a big fist.
    - Hide your head behind it.
    - Extend your arms toward at your opponent's face.
    - Move in toward your opponent and try to use your big fist to hit on his face.
    - When your opponent tries to hit your head, you use your big fist along with wedged arms to deflect your opponent's head shots.
    - When your hands are close to your opponent's head, use head lock, and take him down ASAP.

    Just made some video in my today's class. All comments are welcome.

    1. Use "big fist" to hit on your opponent's head. The training is done for chest punch instead.

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    2. Use "big fist" to deflect incoming punches.

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    3. Use "big fist" to create a "clinch".

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    4. Use "big fist" to create a "clinch", use "clinch" to create "throw".

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    Is kicking or leg takedown allowed?
    If his hands are higher than you what if you stick your forearm under his and push, at the same time use the other hand to strike the body or maybe uppercut? If his hands are lower then what if you break his guard from above and create a space to attack?

    Also if grappling is also allowed don't you think extending the arms like that can easily be used against him?


    If you are making other videos can you ask them to focus on breaking the guard before going for the head to see what happens?
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    Head shot is the main concern here. Both body shot and kicks are less threaten to a grapplier than a full powerful head shot. A grapplier should not care about his opponent to play the grappling game with him. If you consider yourself as an octopus, you will love to play the clinching game with any fish.

    The main purpose of this strategy is to change a striking game into a grappling game ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Here is the "big fist" strategy:

    - Hold both of your hands into a big fist.
    - Hide your head behind it.
    - Extend your arms toward at your opponent's face.
    - Move in toward your opponent and try to use your big fist to hit on his face.
    - When your opponent tries to hit your head, you use your big fist along with wedged arms to deflect your opponent's head shots.
    - When your hands are close to your opponent's head, use head lock, and take him down ASAP.

    Just made some video in my today's class. All comments are welcome.

    1. Use "big fist" to hit on your opponent's head. The training is done for chest punch instead.

    Reminding me of what to do when your hands are tied up together or handcuffed together.


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    Thanks for you guy's valuable opinions.

    Next week I am going to record some "double spears" strategy. The

    - "big fist" strategy is to protect your center from inside out. You don't let your opponent to come into your center. You try to wrap his arm when his arm is outside of your center.
    - "double spears" strategy is to protect your center from outside in. You invite your opponent to come into your center. You try to wrap his arm when his arm is in your center.

    With both strategies, I think the anti-striking theory can be more convincing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Thanks for you guy's valuable opinions.
    It's definitely interesting to consider different approaches and what to do if faced with them, it's a very fun puzzle!

    Next week I am going to record some "double spears" strategy. The

    - "big fist" strategy is to protect your center from inside out. You don't let your opponent to come into your center. You try to wrap his arm when his arm is outside of your center.
    - "double spears" strategy is to protect your center from outside in. You invite your opponent to come into your center. You try to wrap his arm when his arm is in your center.

    With both strategies, I think the anti-striking theory can be more convincing.
    Interesting. I was wondering if there were other aspects you were planning on working. I'm looking forward to getting a more complete picture. Even aside from the anti-striking angle, this almost seems like an interesting format for working entry for throws against a striker, so that, even if someone was opting to use strikes, they could switch modes to big fist and the double spears in order to take the offensive into throwing range.

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    Some thoughts that came to mind watching the videos:

    1) On the striking, maybe adding some more circular strikes (hooks, chops) so that, in practicing the drill, people don't get the tunnel vision of expecting things coming from their front. A good striker will use straight strikes to open up circular strikes, circular strikes to open up for straight, uppercuts to open up for straights. It seems like the straight line punches and uppercuts are well represented, an occasional hook or chop would help pressure test, imo.

    2) For the striker, they could also focus on using footwork to get slightly better angles, so that the pressure test for the person doing big hands requires them to read the footwork more.

    3) Gloves for the striker would also compress distance (because of the higher willingness to hit), it would be interesting to try this out and see what it is like.

    4) It would be really interesting to see how you blend this with dealing with kicks. I can see a couple approaches, but I'm really curious what approach you would take.

    These points are NOT critiques of the people doing the drills, more comments on the drills and thoughts that I had regarding them.

    A question:

    Do you think this approach blended with slipping some strikes would open the opportunity for different throws? I ask because it relates in some ways to things I am working on now, and throws are your thing. I'm finding that when I end up in a tight sort of clinch like what the videos are showing, certain throws come up often, but if I slip a strike certain ways that give me greater access to attacking limbs and higher degree of over extension on the part of an opponent, I find the opportunity for different sorts of throws. Hope my question makes sense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    2. Use "big fist" to deflect incoming punches.

    uppercuts? bodyshots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    Some thoughts that came to mind watching the videos:

    1) On the striking, maybe adding some more circular strikes (hooks, chops) so that, in practicing the drill, people don't get the tunnel vision of expecting things coming from their front. A good striker will use straight strikes to open up circular strikes, circular strikes to open up for straight, uppercuts to open up for straights. It seems like the straight line punches and uppercuts are well represented, an occasional hook or chop would help pressure test, imo.

    2) For the striker, they could also focus on using footwork to get slightly better angles, so that the pressure test for the person doing big hands requires them to read the footwork more.

    3) Gloves for the striker would also compress distance (because of the higher willingness to hit), it would be interesting to try this out and see what it is like.

    4) It would be really interesting to see how you blend this with dealing with kicks. I can see a couple approaches, but I'm really curious what approach you would take.

    These points are NOT critiques of the people doing the drills, more comments on the drills and thoughts that I had regarding them.

    A question:

    Do you think this approach blended with slipping some strikes would open the opportunity for different throws? I ask because it relates in some ways to things I am working on now, and throws are your thing. I'm finding that when I end up in a tight sort of clinch like what the videos are showing, certain throws come up often, but if I slip a strike certain ways that give me greater access to attacking limbs and higher degree of over extension on the part of an opponent, I find the opportunity for different sorts of throws. Hope my question makes sense!
    Those are good suggestions. IMO, the hook punch (or haymaker) are too easy to get arm wrapped.

    It's easier to

    - catch a roundhouse kick than to catch a front kick.
    - wrap a hook punch than to wrap a jab or cross.

    The reason is simple. Both roundhouse kick and hook (or haymaker) are committed and you can predict the incoming path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    I was wondering if there were other aspects you were planning on working. I'm looking forward to getting a more complete picture. Even aside from the anti-striking angle, this almost seems like an interesting format for working entry for throws against a striker, so that, even if someone was opting to use strikes, they could switch modes to big fist and the double spears in order to take the offensive into throwing range.
    Besides "big fist" and "double spears", I'm also working on "hook" (connect my body with my opponent's body ASAP). Many years ago, a good friend of mine said, "If I keep moving back away from you, what can you do to me?" His question had bothered me for quite some time. In the past I used to believe that I can use kick and punch to set up a throw. Now I believe I have to use kick and punch to set up a "clinch". I then use the "clinch" to set up my throw. Both "head lock (all head lock moves can be applied with over hook as well)" and "under hook (all under hook moves can be applied with waist wrap and bear hug as well)" are connect my body with my opponent's body in close distance (arm to neck, or arm to under shoulder). I would need some "hook" on the far distance such as "wrist" and "elbow".

    This way, I can cover all the throwing "entering strategy" for

    - head lock,
    - over hook,
    - under hook,
    - waist wrap,
    - bear hug.

    If I just add in "circle running" entering strategy for "single leg", it'll get more complete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    Besides "big fist" and "double spears", I'm also working on "hook" (connect my body with my opponent's body ASAP). Many years ago, a good friend of mine said, "If I keep moving back away from you, what can you do to me?" His question had bothered me for quite some time.
    Isn't it funny how one little scenario or statement sticks with you until you have to solve it? Fun puzzles.

    In the past I used to believe that I can use kick and punch to set up a throw. Now I believe I have to use kick and punch to set up a "clinch".
    Makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPJ View Post
    Reminding me of what to do when your hands are tied up together or handcuffed together.

    I find this one - 武松脱铐拳. The "big fist" idea was used in some system already in case you have to fight with handcuffs on.

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