Hendrik has been on the hotseat many times re his linage over the decades. He is for real.
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Hendrik has been on the hotseat many times re his linage over the decades. He is for real.
"Wing Chun is a bell that appears when rung.
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That book...
Why couldn't Hendrik tell you anything more about that book?Originally Posted by zuti car
You used that book as a foundation of your research , you posted that as a support to your claims , so , why is such a problem for you to give the location of that artifact , that would be a huge step in proving your theories have some base in reality . So , once again , please provide address or full name of the museum , stop avoiding the answer.
Please check this out, previously unknown information soon comes to light.
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Wing Chun, also romanised as Ving Tsun or Wing Tsun,; is a concept-based Chinese martial art and form of self-defense utilising both striking and grappling while specialising in real world, close-range combat....
Clearing the air...people need to fight their own battles.
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Originally posted by Hendrik
Live is very simple,
Either one honest to tell what one found as it is or one lie and twisting words to serve ones own private agenda.
Some try to protect the facts as much as possible for the future generation.
Some goes as far as doing everything trying to destroy the ancient culture heritage for their own private agenda.
I leave it for the Wck researchers and historian to judge what is what and who is contribute to what.
To those who team up to smear and falsely accuse me, thinking they discredit me will discredit the facts ,
I would like to suggest ,
Ask yourself ,
what are you afraid of?
Why do you have such fear on the release of Wck facts to the public , and lead you to do what you have done?
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Sergio Fujian White Crane report
From Sergio today:
A great Day today where I discussed White Crane indepth with GM Lee Kong and Sifu Sunny So and also went through the Kuit of Yik Kam Siu Nim Tau and the form.
GM Fu of Emei saw his art in the Yik Kam set and GM Lee Kong of White Crane saw also clearly the White Crane DNA.
It's been around 6 years since I first met GM Lee Kong and I always enjoy the time with him discussing and training this beautiful art and treasure of Chinese Kung Fu. Both me and Sifu Sunny So have been training White Crane intensively and it's curriculum is now with the agreement of GM Lee Kong an official part of the IWKA technician and master programms.
To understand our beloved art beter we have to know where we are coming from and the art of GM Lee Kong is the White Crane system before it got split into the 5 seperate lineages so Fujian White Crane in it's purest form.
No Ermei, just pure Wing Chun!
But this week, it's not just wishful thinking. There's a lot to look forward to.
Originally posted by ccwayne
On this matter, the victim is Sergio. I had already phoned Sergio's sifu So 6 weeks ago to ask Sergio slowing down the production on the True orign of wck video, I asked his sifu to advise Sergio thinking over a bit, reasoning, then continue. Sergio, did I do that ?
Questions I made to his sifu to Sergio. :
1. Hendrik's ykwc kuen kuit, had been validated or not?
2. No one watched his full set in the past and make mysterious to others because he mentioned a lot and a lot on section 2,3 and 4 in years. If he intends to let wckners learn, why not opening it up with his kuit. Why he goes to Sergio? why he stay with me for years.
3. How long he stayed with Cho hung choy before he went to US? how deep he learnt his ykwc
4. ykwc from Cho's family, interesting things, cho family ones, form and kuit are not authenic, but Hendrik holds the full set,
5. Why only he knows emei, but no other lineages, even yik Kam, and Cho's family, Law's family scwc never knows any emei. Before his ykwc kuit released to the public, is it possible some emei like kuit had been modified then it makes it not look like Cho's family kuit ?
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Hendrik Santos VS. Kenneth Xiang Fuk Lin
HS: Southeast Asia - Malyasia
KL: South east Asia - Indonesia
HS: associate with same unqualified researcher Sergio Iadarola
KL: associate with same unqualified researcher Sergio Iadarola
HS: Claims to be successor
KL: Claims to be successor
HS: says Emie is Wing Chun
KL: says HKB is Wing Chun
HS: Forgery of documentation (Zuti car’s document refrence, written by non-chinese person and not 19th century writing, written in 21st century modern simplified Chinese characters.) HS so called historical document does not match historical era.
KL: Forgery of Vikoga Wing Chun material, forgery of Hun Mun, forgery of 18 Lohan, 5 Ancestors, ect.
HS: says he has the true Wing Chun.
KL: says he has the true Wing Chun.
HS: Steals SCWC 1890 material then twists and changes it to 1894 kuit. More Forgery.
KL: Steal years of internet, books, video material to make many websites, names. Ongoing twisting, worming and stretching his HKB his-story.
HS: baise to Master Yung but Master Yung publicly denouncement HS. HS’s Cho family publicly denounce HS.
KL: KL’s previously claimed successor and inheritor of HKB, GM Tio makes a public denouncement of KL. KL’s Sihings publicly denounce KL.
HS: Claims baise to Yung then disrespects him later.
KL: Claims baise to Tio and 7 hole oath then disrespects him later.
HS: Wants to become a big part of Wing Chun history
KL: Wants to become a big part of Wing Chun history
HS: Uses non-Wing Chun people to endorse emie as Wing Chun orginal.
KL: Uses non-Wing Chun old HKB men to endorse HKB is orginal Wing Chun.
HS: Emie master saw HS paper and highlights a few words then jumps to conclusion that Emie is Wing Chun orgin but Emie master does not know Wing Chun. HS uses non-Wing Chun people to validate Wing Chun.
KL: VTM makes fake report to jump to conclusion that HKB is orginal Wing Chun. KL uses VTM’s material and resells it to VTM to get non-Wing Chun students to validate HKB is Wing Chun. Just see there huge youtube video testimony propaganda.
HS: uses Emie master to sign paper that Emie is Wing Chun orgin.
KL: uses Master Tio to sign that HKB is 5-flags Wing Chun and orginal Wing Chun.
HS: uses Cho family kuit and changes it to match Emie kuit.
KL: uses HKB, changes history and stories to make up 5-flags Wing Chun. HKB = 18 lohan, 5 ancetor, Vikoga Wing Chun, ect
HS: No Emie in Cho Gar Wing Chun or Cho Hung Choi Wing Chun or Yik Kam Wing Chun.
KL: No Wing Chun in HKB. Old men cant perform SLT, CK, BJ.
HS: Rename/re-branding things that already exist
KL: Rename/re-branding things that already exist
HS: word play
KL: word play
HS: Emie false stories
KL: 5 flags Wing Chun false stories
HS: Fake buddist
KL: Fake buddist
HS: Fraud, liar
KL: Fraud, liar
HS: Mouse
KL: Rat
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Uncanny how similar they are. Some may think they are related because they are so similar!
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Hello Sifu Yung,
Lee Moy Shan and Moy Yat both disgusted by Robert Chu. Robert Chu did not learn much from them kung fu otherwise due to Robert’s severe character issues. Issue such as being Qishimiezu.1. Your Mun's rules - not Robert Chu Mun's rules. He doesn't know anything about SCWC and baisee. Now, I fully understand Lee Moy Shan and Moy Yat's how they think about him. Robert Chu hid his CSL wck background and ask for baisee. As I told him my sifu memory lost illness, he still ask form baisee, what for? If you know SCWC, you should know my sifu already getting retired in 2008 and making public announcements.
2. How many hours I met with Robert Chu face to face. How much I can discuss with you about history (answer is never)? How many times you meet my sifu ( just once) and how long( less than 2 hours) ?
3. I never said Sergio video put me down, my first response to this just the content seems from the ebook, the two guys Robert Chu and Jim Roselando, I never work with. and my ending statement on my first posting is "Interesting..." that's it. No more I would do, but interesting things, Hendrik response in the KFO, not Sergio. Then I knows who is the boss of these two videos. Robert, please don't use your own words to make another meaning.
4. Robert Chu told me in the hotel room in October, he didn't see Hendrik full set SNT and ask me weather I watched it or not.
5. Why these twp top wck researchers(they think) and top wck guys spending time on me in the last few years, no others from USA. Then baisee, then take, borrow, copy, paste, edit, save stuff becoming theirs ,and make public announcement and leaving. Robert, did I need to post our(you, Robert and your student Jack) emails and messages out about what this fake buddhist done, his disrepect and dishonest to SCWC, after his announcement to quit SCWC in January, and what you said on about Hendrik.
These are all your karmar what you had done before, in the past, your dishonesty to others, maybe in the last 30 years.
My father taught me in kung fu culture we must respect what is earn must be earn the right way and understand the way of the old generation culture plus traditions. Sifu Yung is definitely taken advantage of by Robert and hendrik and those two connect with airhead celebrity Sergio to change history of Wing Chun with flakey “research”. I learn very young that if I do not understand the culture I will become very irresponsible and incapable to handle kung fu knowledge - not even can teach right. This is the way to do things right avoid road to Qishimiezu.Today, what he does with others dealing with the SCWC document betraying SCWC. Too bad... Are they both Qishimiezu (欺師滅祖) ?
How Robert Students then become victim of Qishimiezu culture would be very unfortunate but hopefully not the case. I see lots in this generation cannot demonstrate responsible ethic with knowledge just cheat and stealing from the Sifu and bully him while betray lineage ancestors is what Qishimiezu means 欺師滅祖
It is common info that Robert training of Kulo Wing Chun was by a chef and not done well he RELY on notes to remember 40 points. How so called researcher and sifu level person cannot remember just 40 points? Can’t do that not qualified to retain a whole VT system in his mouse brain. Sifu level person do not need notes to remember how to do things certain ways shows he do not have such knowledge in his head. “take, borrow, copy, paste, edit, save stuff becoming theirs” and he always having excuse why.
This always have been and is how he do things from then up to now still. Regarding that WCI #16 issue, Ho Kam Ming is my Sigung and we know that Hawkin Cheung only learn by few months with Yip Man before hawkin move to Australia for some time learning karate. Hawkin’s WC end up incomplete having request to learn Bat Jam Doa from HKM. Hawkin Cheung WC is incomplete. Robert’s WC never complete from beginning to end under any single Sifu only “take, borrow, copy, paste, edit, save stuff becoming theirs” like a mouse in community. Is that what is his research method it is more like scavenger bottom feeding method.
Lots of people know Robert well known to be crap talker about lots of people in public for 30+yrs bragging to be some expert on each persons business such giant ego and low class always cut down everyone. How is he consider to be decent only by same types of people like him. Decent? Hahaha what a big joke. Fake researcher = mouse scavenging for crumbs. Sifu Yung prove that Robert Chu never change never learn only copy paste repeat, and Yung is his latest victim but karma come around like a mouse trap on him.RC:
Wayne, your ruthlessness knows no bounds, and your insecurities show. Your mental and physical health have deteriorated. Holding on to hatred shows your character. You think you're being the protector or punishing traitors? Your actions have undone your standing. scwc had a great legacy, but your actions bring shame and disgrace to your system, and implying you are gatekeeper is disgraceful. I am sure inHK people know you for the Fat Rat that you are. A Hung Mun wannabe thug and bully.
Yik Kam future generation almost become victim of Hendrik's polluting of Yik Kam Cho Gar with Emei nonsense. Look at the bigger picture for all these weeks and months and years, now HS + RC + SI = change Wing Chun future by burning down Ip Man and Leung Bik legacy with fake "research" try to laugh all the way to bank. these mice are not decent not even to be admired. HS WC = incomplete. RC WC = incomplete. SI WC = incomplete. All fakes.
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Inside the Cho family
Lately, if you haven't notice, there has been a lot of battling going on between the Cho family. I would like to bring some facts about the Cho family to light with the goal of ending this nonsense.
Cho family China has clearly acknowledged some important info that people should be aware of when researching that lineage. The reality is this,
"They have no idea who taught Yik Kam and where their art comes from!"
The only thing they know is that Yik Kam was a member of the Red Boat and that he was taught by three brothers of which one is a mystery.
"The above information was published by Cao (Cho) Guo Rong in Chinese Traditional Kung Fu magazine volume 2 no 2."
So, why is this important to know? The Cho family elders were said to train directly with the founder of Choy Li Fut. Today they still preserve their Choy Li Fut Kung Fu but all Cho family stories state; None of the Cho family could touch Yik Kam in Gong Sao. Why? Was it because he was using a different Nei Gong & Dynamics in his SLT?
Yik Kam passed the Red Boat SLT & Poetry to the Cho family but today their is a feud going on because of the modern research into the possible origins of the Yik Kam Kung Fu.
Some Cho legends state Yik Kam was taught by Yim & Leung on the Junks but there are obvious generations missing in that tree but the reality is the Cho family do not know who taught Yik Kam???
Cho Hung Choi believed the Yik Kam SLT had a deep internal cultivation but was not sure what or where it came from? One day his pupil, Hendrik Santo, found similarities between the SLT Poetry & Emei Poetry which was the start of linking Yik Kam SLT & Emei Snake and then Fujian Crane. Yes, this was the beginning of this possible connection and research.
So, all this bickering between member of the Cho family denying any connections is fine but when you openly acknowledge you have no clue where your art comes from then why attack someone who is trying to find out/explain his arts ancestry?
It doesn't make any sense. Its classic "Protect The Rice Bowl" rather then being honest....
Yes! It's true, maybe most of the Cho family never discussed Emei & Fujian but it does not mean the theory isnt plausible and the research isn't valid. You are free to present your own research but at least be honest and tell people you have no clue who taught Yik Kam or where his Wing Chun came from rather than argue over others research and opinions that are possible.
If you don't agree that's fine but be honest and just say: The Cho family doesn't know their own history versus smear honest research.
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Best to discuss the back and forth retorts in private.
Its way past being boring.
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I disagree. Wayne's boys have been posting all kinds of cr@p publically. Its good to hear the other side of the story.
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Muddled and way past boring on all sides.
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Well to me some of the chest puffiness is boring, but reading through all the detail is kind of interesting. Apparently ALL CMA's face similar problems of documenting tall stories from more than 2 generations ago.
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Nope, they just have problem documenting things that never existed
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This is fine - it is research into Yik Kam's personal wing chun only and only a possible connection to HIS own individual branch of WC. If it's kept there, then fine. Unfortunately, it isn't
Besides all of the "who stole what from whom", who's lying about what, who learned what kung fu from what book, Bai Si ceremonies via email & internet and all other silly nonsense, the issue many people have (including myself) is when Hendrik & Co. applies these unproven 'findings' as the source of ALL wing chun. Then comes Sergio when he shares Hendrik's findings says he's discovered the real source of ALL wing chun - once again (for what, the third time now?!?). FACT is, Hendrik can barely speak for his own lineage, let alone any other. And neither of these guys speak for either lineage of wing chun I have studied - let alone ALL wing chun.
This whole thing is a joke by a bunch of clowns IMO. Are you going to back up these claims too?
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Pretty well sums up the current mess. It has become a laughing stock and the thread should be locked up and closed.
Perhaps even deleted. Moderator.......?
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I agree on it being locked, but not sure it should be deleted - I rarely feel we need THAT level of moderation (at least not on this thread). Sometimes it's good to preserve this type of dialog so people in the future have the chance to see all sides and decide for themselves what bit of nonsense makes sense to them
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