Yes, I do see the Orr guys using the elbow in much the same way as it is done in my lineage. You have no idea what I'm even talking about. All you can do is repeat your "mantra". It's your standard response to any post regardless of the topic.
Really? Can you point me to a specific clip and time so that I can better see what you are talking about?
Really? Can you point me to a specific clip and time so that I can better see what you are talking about?
He breaks it down in his DVD series. It's a subtlety that's not given as much attention in other lineages, or simply doesn't exist because they're all hand and wristy. Once you know what to look for you can see it being used by all his fighters.
I think an "excluding" or "cutting" punch from the outside essentially is a Jum Sao continuing on to hit with the fist. Or at least it uses the subtle sinking with the elbow that I think LFJ is talking about. Alan shows this alot in his videos.