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    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    My whole point was to BE CRASS and RUDE because that is how this whole forum is !
    We have been trying to fix this forum for years, YEARS !


    This is true. And it is because of people exactly like you who make no effort to be anything but CRASS and RUDE. How will anything ever change?

    It's basically a waste to time because there is nothing wrong with this form per say, it is the POSTERS that need to get a out of their small, isolated and delusional chi-sao infested world and realize that there is NOTHING special about them or WC, NOTHING at all.

    I don't recall anyone saying WCK is "special". But this is a Wing Chun forum. We talk about Wing Chun here. If you don't like what is said and don't practice Wing Chun and take offense at what people say about their Wing Chun and cannot post without being crass and rude.....then go elsewhere. Simple fix!


    If you wanna make the statement that yours is the real WC, SHOW it don't say it.
    If you want to make the statement that WC must be like this and anything else is not WC, then SHOW IT, don't say it.
    After you have proven it in the ONLY way ANY MA can ever be proven ( and we ALL know what way that is), then you can sit on your ass and pontificate.
    Till then, shut up pr put up and the very least you can do is respect those that ARE putting up.


    I hate to keep pointing out the obvious, but this is a discussion forum. We are here to discuss. That implies "saying" or writing what we think. Its very difficult to "show" anything in such a format and very few people have video footage to share. Heck, even the people that pontificate about "showing" and "proving" what one can do have never bothered to post video footage. Again....discussion forum......we d...I...s....c....u...s....s things here. If you don't like that, then go elsewhere.
    The problem is that you guys are NOT here to discuss, you are here to pontificate and promote your lineages.
    I've seen this over and over and over.
    In this age anyone willing to can SHOW anything they want, we know this for a fact.
    Those that don't show, don't do it because they simply don't want to.
    I don't hold all auctioneers to the same standard, not all are able to record and share because many are not part of a school or have retired or are simply doing their own thing and love WC.
    I hold those that DO post clips of stuff accountable of posting PRACTICAL and REALISTIC examples of what they are "preaching".
    Hendrick is a prime example, he will post a 20 min video of him pontificating about "snake engine" in WC BUT is unwilling to post even 30 seconds of it ACTUALLY BEING DONE !

    That there is a prime example of why this forum has become what it has become.

    Too much talk about the 30 deg angle of an elbow and not enough USING that elbow !
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    He trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle !

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    I know why u wc guys are tend to act like fascistes.The reason is so well known mottos of wc which are pinned to most of yours' minds.
    -designed to overcome shaolin system.
    -it has mechanics,its about science,who we are to belittle it.
    -there is no better system than wc in the World,cant be and this cant be discussed.
    -centerline,you must attack there,or you are not wc.
    No offense,i check this part of forum sometimes and most of the quarrels i have seen are seem to be built upon these mottos.

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    The problem is that you guys are NOT here to discuss, you are here to pontificate and promote your lineages.
    I've seen this over and over and over.


    If you don't like it. Go elsewhere. Simple fix.

    In this age anyone willing to can SHOW anything they want, we know this for a fact.
    Those that don't show, don't do it because they simply don't want to.


    No on here has any obligations to show or prove ANYTHING to ANYONE else. This is an open forum. We are here to discuss.......


    Hendrick is a prime example, he will post a 20 min video of him pontificating about "snake engine" in WC BUT is unwilling to post even 30 seconds of it ACTUALLY BEING DONE !

    You don't have to watch Hendrik's videos. You can put Hendrik on the "ignore" mode and never have to read another post by him again.

    That there is a prime example of why this forum has become what it has become.

    No. The prime example of why this forum has become what it has become was displayed by YOU on your initial posts on this thread. But you don't seem to get that.


    Too much talk about the 30 deg angle of an elbow and not enough USING that elbow !

    Uh, again, not to keep stating the obvious.....but this is a DISCUSSION FORUM. We come here to discuss just how we are USING that elbow. I'm not using that elbow that way while I'm typing, now am I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    I know why u wc guys are tend to act like fascistes.The reason is so well known mottos of wc which are pinned to most of yours' minds.
    -designed to overcome shaolin system.
    -it has mechanics,its about science,who we are to belittle it.
    -there is no better system than wc in the World,cant be and this cant be discussed.
    -centerline,you must attack there,or you are not wc.
    No offense,i check this part of forum sometimes and most of the quarrels i have seen are seem to be built upon these mottos.
    If you don't like. Don't come back. Simple fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    The problem is that you guys are NOT here to discuss, you are here to pontificate and promote your lineages.
    I've seen this over and over and over.


    If you don't like it. Go elsewhere. Simple fix.

    In this age anyone willing to can SHOW anything they want, we know this for a fact.
    Those that don't show, don't do it because they simply don't want to.


    No on here has any obligations to show or prove ANYTHING to ANYONE else. This is an open forum. We are here to discuss.......


    Hendrick is a prime example, he will post a 20 min video of him pontificating about "snake engine" in WC BUT is unwilling to post even 30 seconds of it ACTUALLY BEING DONE !

    You don't have to watch Hendrik's videos. You can put Hendrik on the "ignore" mode and never have to read another post by him again.

    That there is a prime example of why this forum has become what it has become.

    No. The prime example of why this forum has become what it has become was displayed by YOU on your initial posts on this thread. But you don't seem to get that.


    Too much talk about the 30 deg angle of an elbow and not enough USING that elbow !

    Uh, again, not to keep stating the obvious.....but this is a DISCUSSION FORUM. We come here to discuss just how we are USING that elbow. I'm not using that elbow that way while I'm typing, now am I?


    Way forward indeed.
    Rest my case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Way forward indeed.
    Rest my case.
    Well, I hope you at least learned something. It makes very little logical sense to complain about how people choose to represent what they do in a discussion forum and demand that they prove it or back it up in some way. This is not youtube. We are here to talk. It doesn't make sense to say that you're being rude and crass and inflammatory because everyone here is rude and crass and inflammatory. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. If someone is overstating their case about their Wing Chun, then point it out to them and give examples. Don't just call them a P*ssy.

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    Let me start off by saying I am not a WC practitioner, although I have sparred with some advanced WC guys. I respect the art of WC, it just wasn't my cup of tea.

    Now, how many guys have had a teacher or a coach (in MA or otherwise) who (with good reason) chewed you out? In my youth, I went through a period of arrogance, and one of my teachers was well aware of it. Finally one day, he took me aside and basically read me the riot act; among other things, he told me I was no better nor worse than anyone else, and that I needed to grow up. He said some other choice things in his verbal dressing-down that I won't go into. It was hard to stand there listening to him, and felt a bit humiliating. In my mind I felt defiant, but later on, as I had time to really self-examine about it, I knew that everything he said was 100% TRUE. There wasn't one thing he said that I could have refuted or honestly seen as malicious. He said it the way he did because he wanted me to WAKE UP. And to this day I remain thankful to him for that.

    Civility always feels better, but sometimes people need a kick in the pants. Sometimes "Why don't we all just get along" doesn't work. Sure, SR said a couple of harsh things, but IMO he didn't say anything that isn't true for some of the people on the forum. If what SR said offends you, have you ever stopped to consider if what he said is true? Was he trying to be malicious, or was he trying to wake people up? SR is definitely NOT a troll.

    Oh, and BTW, nobody complains when WC practitioners post in the Southern forum, the main forum, the Shaolin forum, the MMA forum, or any others. Because everybody can have something of value to contribute, if they choose to (except malicious trolls, of course). So take what I have to add or not. And if what I had to contribute here is offensive, or it's not worthy of consideration because I'm not a WC person, that's your choice. You can learn things from many people and sources you may not have thought of, if you remove the blinders. This is MA after all. It isn't holding hands around the campfire singing "Kumbayah". Part of MA is developing a thicker skin.

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    Thanks for your contribution Jimbo. Funny how the only people that have something to say here aren't even Wing Chun people.

    Now, how many guys have had a teacher or a coach (in MA or otherwise) who (with good reason) chewed you out?

    No one here is my teacher, my coach, or my friend. No one here has the right or responsibility to "chew me out." What may be acceptable from someone you know and respect is simply rude and impolite from someone you don't know.

    Sure, SR said a couple of harsh things, but IMO he didn't say anything that isn't true for some of the people on the forum. If what SR said offends you, have you ever stopped to consider if what he said is true? Was he trying to be malicious, or was he trying to wake people up? SR is definitely NOT a troll.

    Well Ok. Let's look at what he said.

    they are closed minded and arrogant AND ignorant about the reality of MA.
    I think you guys just need to grow up, stop trying to be such prima donas
    get over yourselves and grow up ( and grow a pair while you are at it).
    Maybe you WC guys should trade in the sand in your vagina for a pair of balls
    Everyone else sees you guys as the armchair warriors and drama queens that you are.
    You guys are lucky than ANYONE wants to moderate this desolate waste of cyber space that is populated by a bunch of whiny pussies.


    More than a "couple" of harsh things, don't you think? So you think its all true, do you? All the name calling....accurate? If you don't like what is said in this forum, you don't have come here either. If you can honestly support things like SR said above, then you are also part of the problem and not part of the solution.



    Oh, and BTW, nobody complains when WC practitioners post in the Southern forum, the main forum, the Shaolin forum, the MMA forum, or any others. Because everybody can have something of value to contribute, if they choose to

    And no one complains here when a non-WC guy posts, as long as he has something of value to contribute.

    So take what I have to add or not.

    Thanks, but you didn't add much. Again, it is not acceptable to be rude and crass and disrespectful and impolite just because "everyone is" or because you are "trying to make a point." Thinking that way is part of the problem, not part of the solution.


    Part of MA is developing a thicker skin.

    Part of MA is learning to treat people respectfully. In CMA circles it is known as "Mo Duk." To come here and write things from a keyboard that you would never say to someone face to face is a bit wrong and shows bad "Mo Duk." Don't you think?

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    KPM,

    I neither like nor dislike what goes on in this forum. I simply gave an opinion based on observations and experience. I was attempting to help. Clearly what I said means nothing to you, and that's fine with me. And I thought my post was pretty civil. I thought my analogy would be clear.

    You seem quick to take offense at a lot of things. I understand being passionate about something, but do you not see a pattern here? Isn't part of wu de (mo duk) also about developing a calm mind in the face of conflict and adversity...in this case, opinions and personalities that differ (widely) from your own?

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    I neither like nor dislike what goes on in this forum. I simply gave an opinion based on observations and experience. I was attempting to help. Clearly what I said means nothing to you, and that's fine with me.

    Your opinion was essentially "yeah, what he said!" Thank you. But that doesn't help much.

    And I thought my post was pretty civil.

    Yes. Your post was civil and I thank you for that. But you also tried to justify what SR said, which was not at all civil. If you read what I have written here, that has been my theme. But you and SR and Frost don't seem to think that it is an important theme. So be it. I don't care. But don't expect me to agree with your seeming acceptance of rude and impolite behavior when used "to make a point."


    You seem quick to take offense at a lot of things. I understand being passionate about something, but do you not see a pattern here? Isn't part of wu de (mo duk) also about developing a calm mind in the face of conflict and adversity...in this case, opinions and personalities that differ (widely) from your own?

    I will refer you back to post #34 on this very thread. And I will continue to put forth that the "way forward" is to treat each other with respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    If you don't like. Don't come back. Simple fix.
    You are not able to take even slightest criticism,huh Mr Hypocrite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KPM View Post
    Well, I hope you at least learned something. It makes very little logical sense to complain about how people choose to represent what they do in a discussion forum and demand that they prove it or back it up in some way. This is not youtube. We are here to talk. It doesn't make sense to say that you're being rude and crass and inflammatory because everyone here is rude and crass and inflammatory. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem. If someone is overstating their case about their Wing Chun, then point it out to them and give examples. Don't just call them a P*ssy.
    P u s s y? No....... whiney little b i t c h ..... yes

    Honestly Keith, get over yourself

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    I totally agree with KPM that people shouldn't post things they wouldn't say face to face, but that's the reality of the internet. Not just here, but everywhere, read the comments on Youtube or a Yahoo news story, no matter what the subject.
    Ironically, you seem the same sort of behavior from people with real reputations, who use their real names here. I am almost certain they wouldn't speak in the same manner in face to face setting. Aliases and anonymity seem to have little to do with it, people just feel like they can say anything they want from a keyboard; and often do.
    I guess it is what it is, sometimes it's ridiculous, sometimes it's entertaining.
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    We should not use "TCMA is more than combat" as excuse for not "evolving".

    You can have Kung Fu in cooking, it really has nothing to do with fighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    You are not able to take even slightest criticism,huh Mr Hypocrite?
    You can criticize me all you want. I don't care. But do it politely. Don't call me names. That's not criticism. That's slander.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
    P u s s y? No....... whiney little b i t c h ..... yes

    Honestly Keith, get over yourself
    Honestly Glenn. I'm trying to get across a message that is falling on pretty deaf ears. That message, one that grumblegeezer also put out, was that the way forward is to treat each other with respect and not post in an inflammatory fashion. So thank you for being on board and calling me a whiney little b i t c h. Would you say that to my face? Like I said before, people here do NOT back each other up. Not even the Wing Chun regulars. You prove my point.
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