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    Teacher Titles

    If you are a kung fu instructor, what title do you go by: sifu, coach, master, grandmaster, Mr./Ms.? Why have you chosen this particular title?
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    Shifu means Teacher Father.

    Why would you call yourself anything other than teacher.

    People that call themselves masters or grandmastes are deluded. It is a title that other use for you, not yourself. Deluded twats.

    practice more and stop calling yourself by false names.
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    My Sihing and I always just went by our first names.

    In recent years, we picked up more students that are native Chinese speakers. They just naturally call us Sifu, so we just go with that now since we're all Chinese anyway.

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    You don't get to choose your title. Your social role, the situation, and the people around you determine that.

    I've been called "coach" here in the USA, but I prefer people use my first name. I prefer peer-to-peer over teacher-student, as usually most people I've "coached" usually have a skill that I want to learn as well. The benefit to this is that everybody learns, and nobody expects payment.
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    Way too many as shat here in the USA who are calling themselves things that would NEVER be said.

    You want to call yourself a master, be prepared to be called to the mat and showcase all that you have mastered. Most of these fools could not find their behinds with a flashlight and a map.

    Lame and sad.
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    too many people want to be a martial arts master without mastering the martials arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale Dugas View Post
    People that call themselves masters or grandmastes are deluded.
    I was in a Catholic church English class when I was young, during the introduction, I said, "I'm Mr. ...". Everybody was laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    When I was in a Catholic church English class when I was young, during the introduction, I said, "I'm Mr. ...". Everybody was laughing.
    One of my Japanese friends told me she was embarrassed that a karate instructor introduced himself with, "I'm Sensei ..."

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    Learning Japanese in undergraduate school was fun and man oh man did I open mouth and insert my size 13s numerous times.
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    I like my slaves to call me 'master'

    I've been at odds with the term 'sifu' for years. A lot of people call me that, given my position here. At the Tai Chi Gala, they give me that title because I'm a presenter. The same happens with most formal events. I'm okay with it now. Even though I don't really feel that I'm at a level to warrant being called 'sifu', especially given some of the inspirational sifu that I've had the honor of meeting, I keep in mind that the term can be used informally for any position of authority in Mandarin, for a taxi cab driver or the manager of a restaurant.

    What amuses me more is this trend of people using the title 'sigong' or 'sihing'. I supposed they think that 'sigong' is a higher ranking title than 'sifu' and that 'sihing' is more modest, but to use either as a title is out of context. Those are terms that are used within a family, so they don't really work as a formal title to people outside their lineage.

    As for my slaves who call me 'master', my boots need cleaning again.
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    Hahahaha.

    Nice one, brother.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    I've been at odds with the term 'sifu' for years. . . . I keep in mind that the term can be used informally for any position of authority in Mandarin, for a taxi cab driver or the manager of a restaurant.

    What amuses me more is this trend of people using the title 'sigong' or 'sihing'. I supposed they think that 'sigong' is a higher ranking title than 'sifu' and that 'sihing' is more modest, but to use either as a title is out of context. Those are terms that are used within a family, so they don't really work as a formal title to people outside their lineage.

    As for my slaves who call me 'master', my boots need cleaning again.
    You are right, even the title, 'Shifu' is a relational term and used in context of a 'teacher/student/ relationship (師徒 shi tu). Sometimes non-practitioners will address a martial arts teacher as 'shi fu', even though they are not students of the person, but that is generally out of politeness.
    Terms such as 師公 shigong, etc. are relational and, as you say, used it context of the 'family'. The same person can be addressed as "Shifu', 'Shigong', 'Shi Tai Ye' or any of the terms below depending who is talking to him or her.

    Students: 弟子 di zi or 徒弟 tu di
    Students of your master’s brother: 同門 tong men
    Grand students: 徒孫 tu sun
    Your senior brother: 師兄 shi xiong
    Your junior brother: 師弟 shi di
    Your senior sister: 師姐 shi jie
    your junior sister: 師 妹 shi mei
    Your teacher: 師父 Shi fu
    Your teacher's senior brother: 師伯 shi bo
    Your teacher's junior brother: , 師叔 shi shu
    Your teacher's female classmate: 師姑 shi gu
    Your teacher's wife: 師母 shi mu
    Female master’s husband: 師丈 shi zhang
    Your teacher's teacher (grandmaster): or 師公 shigong; 師爺 shi ye; or 師祖 shi zu
    Your grandmaster's senior brother 師伯公 shi bo gong
    Your grandmaster's junior brother 師叔公 shi shu gong
    Your grandmaster's female classmate: 師姑婆 shi gu po
    Your grandmaster's wife: 師姥 shi lao; or you can use 師婆 shi po
    Your Great Grand Master: 師太爺 shi tai ye; or you can use 師太祖 shi tai zu

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneChing View Post
    As for my slaves who call me 'master', my boots need cleaning again.
    Dang Gene, you sound like you may know a thing or two about the 'lifestyle' haha.
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    I'm gonna start referring to myself in the third person, as "Mountain Lord."
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    This is 100% TCMA principle. It may be used in non-TCMA also. Since I did learn it from TCMA, I have to say it's TCMA principle.
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