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Here is a long range "entering strategy" that we have not discussed yet (I had successfully used it in fighting before).
- You start with right leg forward,
- step in your left leg,
- jump up from your left leg,
- before you land your right leg, your right hand punch at your opponent's face (while your body is still in the air).
This footwork will cover 1 full step + 1 jump step. It can cover 10 feet in distance if you have good jumping ability. If your opponent steps back, after you have landed your right leg, you can land your left leg behind your right leg as a "stealing step" along with a follow up right "side kick". This whole sequence of footwork can cover 15 feet in distance.
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 06-27-2014 at 09:59 PM.
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More opinion -> more argument
Less opinion -> less argument
No opinion -> no argument
Ok, do you want a cookie now?
But, did I really post the exact same thing?
Both of those statements - as they stand without any of the background context - could be talking about 2 very different things, which may very well be the case. Your statement doesn't give a specific example of what you were referring to - you could be talking about 2 guys standing 15 feet from each other, one following the other. TBH, I don't know if you really understood what I was saying because WC chase and pursue as I understand could use footwork and then again it could not.
But since you have such a strong desire to be right and say we are saying the same thing (and maybe you are right), so please help me out. Since I don't have the time to go back thru the whole discussion, quickly explain your view again. And then explain what you understand of what I was talking about and then we can see if you're right and we can both have a good LOL over it all...
Last edited by JPinAZ; 06-28-2014 at 12:40 AM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Exactly. A wise man often said "It's all technique, then it's no technique, then it's all technique again". It all depends on your level of understanding and focus.
As for the rest, I can't argue with you. I agree with a lot of what you said and to me it is basic common-sense knowledge of skill development and fighting in general - regardless of art. But I'm trying to talk more specifically about WC methods/concepts/principles and how they are applied to various situations - beyond just common generalities. And I think you are still missing some of the key points I am trying to make in regards to WC methods and application form a WC POV (which is the point of this sub-forum yeah? WC? )
While I appreciate your views, somehow the discussion always turns back to the basic generalities that apply to any art and not WC specifically. It's hard to tell if you have a general interest in wing chun or just trying to disprove or minimize it. But it's hard to dialog with someone that seems a bit closed off to WC ideas and generalizes other's POV. Just something to think about.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
I agree with SR 100%. And this is why I don't see Wing Chun as a "sparring art." What SR describes above is much more of a "combatives" mindset. Let me say again before someone gets all excited and comes after me.....I do believe sparring is valuable and has its place, but as I've said many times already it should not be the "gold standard" for Wing Chun. In a sparring scenario there IS a fight, that's why you are there. Someone has to go after the other person. You can't just stand there and stare at each other. In a sparring scenario you typically engage, disengage, re-engage, etc. through-out the sparring session. The main Wing Chun strategy that SR is describing above functions once contact is made, and once contact is made you keep going until one or the other of you can't go anymore! In a combatives/street/self-defense (whatever you want to call it) scenario an aggressor is coming after YOU. He chooses to fight and close with YOU, as SR says. Once you close in you what to finish things and not have to close again. In a sparring scenario you may have to go after or "pursue" your partner/opponent from long range to make contact. I think that's why ideas have been bouncing back and forth in this thread and people are talking past each other at times. Its a difference between a combatives mindset (which I believe is at the core of Wing Chun) and a sparring mindset.
Last edited by JPinAZ; 06-29-2014 at 09:12 AM.
What chi sau is, or isn't, or is, or wait, what is it..: http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...2&postcount=90
Last edited by YouKnowWho; 06-28-2014 at 10:26 AM.
http://johnswang.com
More opinion -> more argument
Less opinion -> less argument
No opinion -> no argument
100% disagree. There is no such thing as a "sparring art". Unless maybe slap boxing. People who think Wing Chun and the core of it is some duper deadly self defense art that only kicks in because you have a "combatives mindset" as opposed to a kickboxer who has a "sportive mindset" are going to get themselves hurt.