Thanks for the reply Joy! I very much agree with your last line and the knife form as I was shown it, is more in this vein. However, despite the form being shown to me through one of Ip Chun's senior students, it is a form that is very much different from those four you cite (I assume Lok Yiu is the 4th you refer too?), and I've found that I have had to turn elsewhere to be effective when sparring weapon on weapon (that could just be my inexperience with the form I was shown).
Joy, when you learnt the knife form were you told about the different properties of the edge and flat of the blade and their kinship with or likeness to the flat and edge of the forearm and hand?
I open that question up to others too, particularly those training through one of the many Ip Man lineages.
I like that you mention Ip Man named 'his' own knife form, as this too is what I have heard from my Sifu. Similar too to his 108/116 wooden man, pole and cohesive curriculum of Forms and Chisau? This is what I feel makes Ip Man Wing Chun physically identifiable, and something my Sigung was very honoured to represent even if it wasn't set up exactly how he had learnt Wing Chun himself both from Yip Man and others.
In a true sense, it all started when the HK limited company called 'Yip Man Martial Arts Athletic Association' was formed by the man himself, as that was the only legally named business for Wing Chun with Yip Mans name attached to it. The first of it's time and something that caused quite a stir in the HK Martial Arts community back then because it didn't say 'Wing Chun/Ving Tsun'! I have heard dates like 1967 for it's beginnings but have only seen evidence it was actually formed in 1972. The YMMAAA is now owned by Sam Lau I believe. (see attched image)
Then came the Ving Tsun Athletic Association after Yip Man died, something most of his students joined under and currently still teach by in their Nathan Road HQ, which was followed by both Ip Chun and Ip Chings own VTAA.
A very interesting, and amazingly deep subject really.
http://www.yipmanwingchunasso.com/im...nAssoCover.JPG
Ti Fei
詠春國術
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1271725]I like that you mention Ip Man named 'his' own knife form, as this too is what I have heard from my Sifu. Similar too to his 108/116 wooden man, pole and cohesive curriculum of Forms and Chisau? This is what I feel makes Ip Man Wing Chun physically identifiable, and something my Sigung was very honoured to represent even if it wasn't set up exactly how he had learnt Wing Chun himself both from Yip Man and others.
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The 108 is not an uncommon organizational principle in many Asian arts and arrangement- sometimes artificially imposed- depending on what you count. The origins of the 108 are in Hindu and later Buddhist astronomy.
oops gotta get back to FIFA-glad that Belgium and Algeria won their rounds. Hope that the USA wins today though Ronaldo
of Portugal is a team by himself..
Messi was marvel yester day dribbling past 7 players for his final left footed goal. UK has been asleep at the wheels.
Glad that mexico held Brazil to a draw. OOPS- I am outta here.
Last edited by Vajramusti; 06-22-2014 at 01:01 PM.
According to this, the VTAA was formed in 67, when Yip Man was still alive.
http://www.vingtsun.org.hk/Origin.HTM
They also have a "history and development" page for 1961-1970, but for some reason you can't link to it the specific dates...
http://www.vingtsun.org.hk
I do like that resource, and maybe it was the VTAA I had heard about being set up in 1967? But I am sure the 'Company' I heard had Yip Mans name attached?? Something like Yip Man Wing Chun Tong or something, like it suggests in it's write up at the top of the page. More like a 'Fellowship'.
Still, whatever happened it is good to see these groups still active today as everything else that came afterwards is Sifu and practitioners personal development. I actually like the 'Fellowship' idea and it would be great to see something like that accessible to everyone.
Ti Fei
詠春國術
Distance learning in wc? Has anyone looked into this? If so, is there one that could be recommended. Btw, i have tried to contact sifu? Correy in Tn asking about local or closer possible training options but have had no reply and in the process have turned up DLPs and wandered what the opinion of these were. Any thoughts? Iron shin, arm, and palm training tomorrow night so getting my typing in before my arms are too tired.
Got that wrong, says gm Ip man was the lifetime chairman. Then says later that "At one point during the VTAA years the current administrator decided to change the agreement as to how much Ip man was to recieve without talking it over with him first. This irritated Ip man so much that he walked away from the association with all of his students that could instruct classes, he stated that "its not the money, its the principle. you should have talked to me first." This left the association in a terrible bind. So they enlisted the help of a rogue wing chun instructor. This caused an untrusting tension between this instructor and Ip man for the rest of his days."