A civilized way to prevent a fight

[YouKnowWho]

In the following clip, if you can control your opponent and if he can't break your grips, he may not want to fight you any more. That will be a very civilized way to prevent a fight before anybody get hurt.

In case your opponent still want to fight you, since you have used one arm to control both of his arms, you will have one free arm to punch at his face. So you have not rule out the possibility to continue your fight if your opponent wants to.

Your thought?

[-N-]

Looks like you are starting the fight here when you initiate with your right hand.

If he wanted to fight, he would already initiate, or at least throw his left punch while you are transferring control from your right hand to your left hand.

If you do the right hand, transfer left, and right grab all together as in ou lou tsai timing, then it might work.

But go in with your footwork, because right now you control on top only, and not the bottom.

Control the bottom and completely lock him up.

[-N-]

If you do as in ou lou tsai, don't pull so much with the right, then it will be faster, and you can go in faster with footwork too.

[YouKnowWho]

The situation can be like this. My opponent throws a jab and cross at my face, I move away. I then jump back in and start this strategy. This way, my opponent still starts the fight first.

You are right. By using the leading leg to jam the leading leg is not shown in that clip.

If I don't pull his right arm to make his body to spin to his left, his left hand may still be able to hit on my face. A bit "shaking" can make myself safer. I agree that the ou lou tsai will be faster. But if I can't get his left arm, the whole thing will fail. In order to get his left arm, I have to take some risk, give he some time for his left hand to move toward his right wrist (or my face). In other words, if I move fast, I may not be able to get his left arm. If I move too slow, his left hand may punch on my face. Fortunately, I can use my left hand pulling and also I can move my head to my left. My risk is not that much.

[-N-]

The situation can be like this. My opponent throws a jab and cross at my face, I move away. I then jump back in and start this strategy. This way, my opponent still starts the fight first.

Ok, I see.

If I don't pull his right arm to make his body to spin to his left, his left hand may still be able to hit on my face.

I have a Praying Mantis bias.

If his left tries to hit you, he is making your job easier by giving you his hand.

If your right hand didn't pull back previously, it is already in guard and can control the punch sooner.

A bit "shaking" can make myself safer.

Destabilizing the other guy can be useful.

But to use your terminology, Praying Mantis will love to borrow the force and fly in to hit.

He will consider you are helping him to punch you. And your right hand will have more work to do to relax and get back in range.

But if I can't get his left arm, the whole thing will fail. In order to get his left arm, I have to take some risk, give he some time for his left hand to move toward his right wrist (or my face).

In this way the emphasis is on (chasing) the technique - to get the left arm.

Another way is to focus on the strategy of getting your right arm in a good controlling position.

You like head lock, so if his left hand doesn't move to his right, you just go in through the opening and control his head. This is variation on Praying Mantis huen chui.

In other words, if I move fast, I may not be able to get his left arm. If I move too slow, his left hand may punch on my face. Fortunately, I can use my left hand pulling and also I can move my head to my left. My risk is not that much.

Ou lou tsai is good when you pass to the left. That way you move fast, avoid his borrow attack, control his head, and you are set up to continue with slant cut if he doesn't give up.

[David Jamieson]

The civilized way to prevent a fight is to be civilized and not fight.

[-N-]

The civilized way to prevent a fight is to be civilized and not fight.

I won't argue with that

[SPJ]

In the following clip, if you can control your opponent and if he can't break your grips, he may not want to fight you any more. That will be a very civilized way to prevent a fight before anybody get hurt.

In case your opponent still want to fight you, since you have used one arm to control both of his arms, you will have one free arm to punch at his face. So you have not rule out the possibility to continue your fight if your opponent wants to.

Your thought?

Yes.

1 If you may kou (mantis) or dai la (ba gua) his lead arm downward at his wrist, (since his lead elbow is straight), you may ignore his lead elbow and go at his rear hand wrist or forearm.
In this scenario, it would be your one hand gou lou cai his lead hand, and your other hand also gou lou cai his rear hand. (mantis) Your lead leg also positions behind his lead leg. You swipe sao his lead leg and off he falls. This is a signature mantis move. Depending on position, you may ignore his rear guard hand, and hook his neck or chest with your other hand.

2 however, we have to deal with his lead elbow first, that is old maxim of many styles.

3 pass 3 guards, wrist, elbow and shoulder.

4 These are common problems being dealt with.

If you do not want to fight, it is better keep at a distance.

Move back half a step or to the side one step.

People would know you are disengaging.