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    A civilized way to prevent a fight

    In the following clip, if you can control your opponent and if he can't break your grips, he may not want to fight you any more. That will be a very civilized way to prevent a fight before anybody get hurt.

    In case your opponent still want to fight you, since you have used one arm to control both of his arms, you will have one free arm to punch at his face. So you have not rule out the possibility to continue your fight if your opponent wants to.

    Your thought?

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    Looks like you are starting the fight here when you initiate with your right hand.

    If he wanted to fight, he would already initiate, or at least throw his left punch while you are transferring control from your right hand to your left hand.

    If you do the right hand, transfer left, and right grab all together as in ou lou tsai timing, then it might work.

    But go in with your footwork, because right now you control on top only, and not the bottom.

    Control the bottom and completely lock him up.

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    If you do as in ou lou tsai, don't pull so much with the right, then it will be faster, and you can go in faster with footwork too.

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    The situation can be like this. My opponent throws a jab and cross at my face, I move away. I then jump back in and start this strategy. This way, my opponent still starts the fight first.

    You are right. By using the leading leg to jam the leading leg is not shown in that clip.

    If I don't pull his right arm to make his body to spin to his left, his left hand may still be able to hit on my face. A bit "shaking" can make myself safer. I agree that the ou lou tsai will be faster. But if I can't get his left arm, the whole thing will fail. In order to get his left arm, I have to take some risk, give he some time for his left hand to move toward his right wrist (or my face). In other words, if I move fast, I may not be able to get his left arm. If I move too slow, his left hand may punch on my face. Fortunately, I can use my left hand pulling and also I can move my head to my left. My risk is not that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The situation can be like this. My opponent throws a jab and cross at my face, I move away. I then jump back in and start this strategy. This way, my opponent still starts the fight first.
    Ok, I see.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    If I don't pull his right arm to make his body to spin to his left, his left hand may still be able to hit on my face.
    I have a Praying Mantis bias.

    If his left tries to hit you, he is making your job easier by giving you his hand.

    If your right hand didn't pull back previously, it is already in guard and can control the punch sooner.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    A bit "shaking" can make myself safer.
    Destabilizing the other guy can be useful.

    But to use your terminology, Praying Mantis will love to borrow the force and fly in to hit.

    He will consider you are helping him to punch you. And your right hand will have more work to do to relax and get back in range.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    But if I can't get his left arm, the whole thing will fail. In order to get his left arm, I have to take some risk, give he some time for his left hand to move toward his right wrist (or my face).
    In this way the emphasis is on (chasing) the technique - to get the left arm.

    Another way is to focus on the strategy of getting your right arm in a good controlling position.

    You like head lock, so if his left hand doesn't move to his right, you just go in through the opening and control his head. This is variation on Praying Mantis huen chui.

    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    In other words, if I move fast, I may not be able to get his left arm. If I move too slow, his left hand may punch on my face. Fortunately, I can use my left hand pulling and also I can move my head to my left. My risk is not that much.
    Ou lou tsai is good when you pass to the left. That way you move fast, avoid his borrow attack, control his head, and you are set up to continue with slant cut if he doesn't give up.

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    The civilized way to prevent a fight is to be civilized and not fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    The civilized way to prevent a fight is to be civilized and not fight.
    I won't argue with that

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    Starting a fight possibility percentage of using that technique is higher than starting a fight possibility percentage of the enemy guy.
    if you are so sure that he will start a fight,then you better hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    if you are so sure that he will start a fight,then you better hit.
    The problem is if you hit your opponent, the fight is already started. There is no return. If you can tangle your opponent's arms and then give him a hug, since nobody is hurting, by definition, the fight hasn't started yet.
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    As soon as there is any contact the pressure in the room goes up ten times, everybody feels it, it prickles your skin. Thats a dangerous chain reaction to get started.

    You have them trapped.... then what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenDaHai View Post
    You have them trapped.... then what?
    I'll ask him, "Can we stop right now? I really don't want any trouble."
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    I'll ask him, "Can we stop right now? I really don't want any trouble."
    And if it were me, that might work.

    Good people care about virtue, bad people care about power, stupid people care about money, but base people, animals, they care about face.

    To the thug inside me, you trapping my arms and then saying you don't want any trouble, thats gonna make me lose a lot of face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho View Post
    The problem is if you hit your opponent, the fight is already started. There is no return. If you can tangle your opponent's arms and then give him a hug, since nobody is hurting, by definition, the fight hasn't started yet.
    IMO, in some situations this would be a very good strategy from a legal standpoint, especially if there are objective witnesses present. You are already showing that your intent is not to be the aggressor, and are taking steps to deescalate the situation.

    OTOH, I see some issues:

    1. This presupposes that the attacker is actually squaring off with you. This scenario is most likely with someone you already know who's drunk and/or becoming belligerent with you...a friend, a relative, but sometimes a stranger, too. It's a person who may want to fight you, but not as seriously as a targeted street attack. Or he may be woofing and not really want to fight you at all.

    2. If it's a person who really wants to get you, they might temporarily stop until you let them go. And if they're criminals or otherwise sociopathic, they may pull a weapon next. But then again, most such criminal-types would not have squared off with you in the first place, unless maybe to distract you/set you up for their partner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenDaHai View Post
    Good people care about virtue, bad people care about power, stupid people care about money, but base people, animals, they care about face.
    Totally off the topic, but I really like the above statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faux Newbie View Post
    Totally off the topic, but I really like the above statement.
    Yes it's quite interesting. And on the strength of personal anecdotes alone, I'd say it's mostly true.
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