Samuel Kwok Chi-sau

[slick69]

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[slick69]

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What you guys think of the chi-sau? I thought Samuel kwok didn't look so great against a nobody...

[BPWT..]

What you guys think of the chi-sau? I thought Samuel kwok didn't look so great against a nobody...

I don't really understand this type of Poon Sau. Different from what I train.

Sam Kwok had very poor elbow positioning, IMO, and hence the other guy was routinely able to extend his arm and hit. Kwok also had no bridge control when he was striking, so the other guy could strike him at the same time. Kwok also tried to use Pak Da, but with his Pak coming from under the other guy's arm... so the other guy simple struck him over the top. So no Yat Fook Yee in play.

Plus, Kwok's attacks were mostly cheap shots - over extended and from bad positioning. No distance control from footwork/stepping.

He was smiling and joking, but he looked uncomfortable throughout.

[slick69]

I don't really understand this type of Poon Sau. Different from what I train.

Sam Kwok had very poor elbow positioning, IMO, and hence the other guy was routinely able to extend his arm and hit. Kwok also had no bridge control when he was striking, so the other guy could strike him at the same time. Kwok also tried to use Pak Da, but with his Pak coming from under the other guy's arm... so the other guy simple struck him over the top. So no Yat Fook Yee in play.

Plus, Kwok's attacks were mostly cheap shots - over extended and from bad positioning. No distance control from footwork/stepping.

He was smiling and joking, but he looked uncomfortable throughout.

So its more about Kwok rather than the other guy?

[BPWT..]

So its more about Kwok rather than the other guy?

Well, I focused on Sam Kwok because he's the big name - I don't know anything about the other guy. But the unknown chap (unknown to me), looked better. And also showed far more control when striking. He was almost carefully placing his strikes in, whereas Sam Kwok appeared to be lashing out, hoping to get a hit.

In the UK, Sam Kwok is probably the most well known Wing Chun name. Lots of people teaching in the UK today learned from him, or from people who learned from him.

[LFJ]

He was almost carefully placing his strikes in, whereas Sam Kwok appeared to be lashing out, hoping to get a hit.

It's basically a silly game of tag. I can't see that this type of chi-sau serves any sort of purpose in fight training.

Btw, welcome back, Beatrice! I knew you wouldn't be gone too long.

[slick69]

Are you the other guy in the video?

I think the other guy did a good deed by showing kwok that his structure, positioning and pressure were absent... I also applaud his patience for repeatedly enduring kwoks cheap shots.

Hah, no not the other guy, just not a fan of these Grand Masters
See all the well edited scripted stuff of these so called Grand Masters looking amazing. Then I suddenly see this badly edited clip, which has obviously been hidden and is natural.

[BPWT..]

I wonder when this was filmed?

In the article it says the two met in 2009, so maybe it was filmed then (?).

[kung fu fighter]

Sam Kwok had very poor elbow positioning, IMO, and hence the other guy was routinely able to extend his arm and hit. Kwok also had no bridge control when he was striking, so the other guy could strike him at the same time. Kwok also tried to use Pak Da, but with his Pak coming from under the other guy's arm... so the other guy simple struck him over the top. So no Yat Fook Yee in play.

Plus, Kwok's attacks were mostly cheap shots - over extended and from bad positioning. No distance control from footwork/stepping.

He was smiling and joking, but he looked uncomfortable throughout.

I don't think he looks great at any time. Again, look closely...the well known uber "master" of Wing chun immediately reverts to cheap shots and grabbing onto his opponents wrists and forearms when things aren't going his way.

I think the other guy did a good deed by showing kwok that his structure, positioning and pressure were absent... I also applaud his patience for repeatedly enduring kwoks cheap shots.

I completely agree with the abovr posts!

[Vajramusti]

What you guys think of the chi-sau? I thought Samuel kwok didn't look so great against a nobody...

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I was unimpressed.

[GlennR]

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Video 1...... cheap shots from the big guy. Pretty bad really. Actually awful

Video 2. ..... One guy cant fight at all (helmet), Horgan is aggressive ,but boy, he is so open for a left hook its not funny

[Jansingsang]

Kwok Imho Is and always will be a joke. This is garbage what his perpetrating as Chi sao. which is very low level wristy chase hands not Cog stuff .Cheap shots cause his lost face mentality.. Oh please He should stop trying to portray himself as if his Ip man the second coming .(Donnie Yen ) look a like wannabe Take off his gown put on a white Tshirt and go sort out his basic understanding of Ving Tsun Kung fu Guys like this have been getting away with this S**t for years Thank heavens we live in a age of the camera and Internet, were there's no more hiding place for these JOKERS

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=GlennR;1275177]Video 1...... cheap shots from the big guy. Pretty bad really. Actually awful

Video 2. ..... One guy cant fight at all (helmet), Horgan is aggressive ,but boy, he is so open
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YUP agree-Sloppy wing chun-ners ae open for well timed lights out left hooks

[T.D.O]

Was only a minute, the 1st 30 secs repeats its self?? and looks as if there was going to be more then cuts off??

[Vajramusti]

Was only a minute, the 1st 30 secs repeats its self?? and looks as if there was going to be more then cuts off??

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A different fun chi sao:

http://youtu.be/6qDrtYnvSis