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    BTW: Steroids

    Just in case any is wondering HOW effective steroids are and why anyone would use them:
    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/steroids-vs-natural/

    This part here in particular:



    The Study

    This 10 week study took a group of 43 men of normal body weight between the ages of 19 and 40 who all had some degree of weight training experience. These men were then split up into 4 different groups:

    Group 1 did NOT do any form of exercise, and did NOT receive any form of steroids or drugs. (Natural guys doing no weight training.)
    Group 2 did NOT do any form of exercise, but they received weekly injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate. (Drug users doing no weight training.)
    Group 3 DID exercise, but they did NOT receive any form of steroids or drugs. (Natural guys doing weight training.)
    Group 4 DID exercise, and they also received weekly injections of 600 mg of testosterone enanthate. (Drug users doing weight training.)
    All of their diets (calorie intake, protein intake, nutrient intake, etc.) were standardized according to each person’s body weight, recorded, verified and adjusted when needed. The 2 groups who WERE weight training (groups 3 and 4) followed the same supervised workouts each week.

    Meaning, with the exception of the fact that some groups were or were not weight training, and some were or were not using drugs… everything else (diet and training) was equal and even.

    The Results

    So… guess what happened?

    Group 1 (no exercise, natural) experienced no significant changes. No surprise there.
    Group 2 (no exercise, drug use) was able to build about 7 pounds of muscle. That’s not a typo. The group receiving testosterone injections and NOT working out at all gained 7 pounds of muscle.
    Group 3 (exercise, natural) was able to build about 4 pounds of muscle.
    Group 4 (exercise, drug use) was able to build about 13 pounds of muscle.
    So What Does This Study Show Us?

    Well, for starters, if you are natural and not doing any form of weight training, your muscle building results will suck. But we all knew that already.

    Second, the muscle building effects of steroids are pretty F-ing significant. Despite using identical workout routines and diets, the guys who were also receiving testosterone injections gained over 3 TIMES as much muscle as the natural guys in the same period of time. The average difference was 13lbs gained to just 4lbs gained.

    And third… here’s the most insane part of all. The group getting the testosterone injections and NOT doing any form of weight training whatsoever still gained significantly more muscle than the natural guys who WERE weight training. The difference was 7lbs gained to 4lbs gained.

    Let me repeat that again just in case it didn’t sink in. Guys using drugs and doing NOTHING built more muscle than the natural guys who were weight training 3 times per week. How crazy is that?

    Link to study:
    http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...99607043350101
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    Testosterone is an anabolic steroid. They do work an they have medical use to get results in healing people as well for correcting other maladies.
    They are used to get higher production values out of cattle stock as well.

    They can be abused and in fact, when used for weight lifting or in the realm of sport, they can cause a great deal of emotional issues and sideline physical issues.

    Think "Raging no Balls".

    The natural process and the natural form is far more desirable to have at some point in your life in my opinion. Doing it with drugs is cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Testosterone is an anabolic steroid. They do work an they have medical use to get results in healing people as well for correcting other maladies.
    They are used to get higher production values out of cattle stock as well.

    They can be abused and in fact, when used for weight lifting or in the realm of sport, they can cause a great deal of emotional issues and sideline physical issues.

    Think "Raging no Balls".

    The natural process and the natural form is far more desirable to have at some point in your life in my opinion. Doing it with drugs is cheating.
    The problem is, quite simply, they work and work really, really well and it is now more en vogue because of that whole male HRT struff going around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    The problem is, quite simply, they work and work really, really well and it is now more en vogue because of that whole male HRT struff going around.
    I think the problem is that when you try to rape your wife/girlfriend after savagely beating her you won't be able to get it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wenshu View Post
    I think the problem is that when you try to rape your wife/girlfriend after savagely beating her you won't be able to get it up.

    Well, that is the darker side of steroid abuse.
    Couple it with being an overly violent and aggressive male ( as most pro fighters are) then it can be quite the horrific recipe for disaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Well, that is the darker side of steroid abuse.
    Couple it with being an overly violent and aggressive male ( as most pro fighters are) then it can be quite the horrific recipe for disaster.
    Hey, I'm comfortable with violence and can turn up aggression in a confrontation.
    But I'm not some meathead like that POS.
    He was reared by supreme douches or something.
    Plus, who dates porn stars and expects fidelity? That's just stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jamieson View Post
    Hey, I'm comfortable with violence and can turn up aggression in a confrontation.
    But I'm not some meathead like that POS.
    He was reared by supreme douches or something.
    Plus, who dates porn stars and expects fidelity? That's just stupid.
    Did they catch that guy finally?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raipizo View Post
    Did they catch that guy finally?
    yes, he's in custody.
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    Because of some pretty nasty back issues, I had thought I'd be on TRT or self-RXd steroids by now.

    Thankfully, not at all.

    I'm pretty sure I'll be using them when I hit the point where my muscles start to go away faster than my memory.

    In between, have no use for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash View Post
    I'm pretty sure I'll be using them when I hit the point where my muscles start to go away faster than my memory.
    Once you're past a certain age, who cares? You wanna live forever?

    I never understood the aesthetics of massive man boobs and chest waxing but I lucked out genetically so even as a vegetarian as long as I got sufficient calories I stayed around 200lbs no problem. Once I hit my mid-thirties, recovering from contact sport workouts suddenly became similar to recovering from a night of drug and alcohol fueled debauchery and I now understand what PEDs have to offer. Since I'm more focused on making money than getting beat up I no longer have an appetite sufficient enough to maintain weight and I've dropped 15 pounds in the last 3 months. I had to start eating meat again just to maintain whats left.

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