Chum Kiu 2nd section applications -Fut Sao Wing Chun

[Grumblegeezer]

No, I don't share these ideas at all.



I disagree. I never think in terms of applications. The forms for me are training tools for development and self-correction of certain behaviors and attributes for combat. There are no 1:1 applications.

No 1:1 applications? How about a punch to the nose! But seriously, LFJ you do make a good point. However, I believe that showing how certain movements can be applied in specific situations is often a useful way to illustrate the concept behind the movement.

On the other hand, I would agree with you completely that there is no 1:1 correlation between the movements in forms and specific applications. IMO that seems reductive and limiting in the extreme.

[stonecrusher69]

No 1:1 applications? How about a punch to the nose! But seriously, LFJ you do make a good point. However, I believe that showing how certain movements can be applied in specific situations is often a useful way to illustrate the concept behind the movement.

On the other hand, I would agree with you completely that there is no 1:1 correlation between the movements in forms and specific applications. IMO that seems reductive and limiting in the extreme.

All traditional CMA teach forms then how to apply them. When I look at a technique I ask myself what is the concept behind it and where in the form does it come from.

[LFJ]

However, I believe that showing how certain movements can be applied in specific situations is often a useful way to illustrate the concept behind the movement.

I agree that applications can be used sometimes for illustrative purposes, but as you say that's not what the forms are about or how or how the system works.

All traditional CMA teach forms then how to apply them.

Depends on what you mean by "apply". Obviously not all CMAs deal in 1:1 technique application thinking. I do a CMA and that's not how it works.

[stonecrusher69]

I agree that applications can be used sometimes for illustrative purposes, but as you say that's not what the forms are about or how or how the system works.



Depends on what you mean by "apply". Obviously not all CMAs deal in 1:1 technique application thinking. I do a CMA and that's not how it works.

"Apply" mean understanding of the form,movements and applying them in applications.

[LFJ]

"Apply" mean understanding of the form,movements and applying them in applications.

Well then, you're just wrong when you say all TCMA work like that.

[stonecrusher69]

Well then, you're just wrong when you say all TCMA work like that.

Well I have had 7 formal teachers and many informal one and they all taught more or less that way. I have many books on martial arts and I have never seen one book that does not.

[LFJ]

Well, here I am telling you the TCMA system I train doesn't work like that.

Not to mention Yiquan, which doesn't even contain any forms to speak of!