bagua sword

[Rurouni Kenshi]

heya,

where can i find some resource, pics and text about bagua sword on the net?

thanks

[RAF]

Checkout the post by Jiayo under Video Links on Emptyfower.forum:

video clips.

bagua deerhorns
http://www.jiayo.com/videos/bagua_deerhorns.mpg

bagua jian (straightsword)
http://www.jiayo.com/videos/bagua_jian.mpg

enjoy!

-b

[wingchunner]

Fu Chen Sung:

others can be found at :

http://www.immortalpalm.com

Check out the Fu pages. Some links there as well.

Marty

[Buddy]

Master Lin Chaojin (disciple of Fu Chensung) told me that DaDao weighed THIRTY pounds. That is gongfu!

[NorthernShaolin]

Buddy,

Please e-mail me at jingmo@jingmo.org concerning your Pa Kua sifu.

[Rurouni Kenshi]

thanks a lot!

[Stranger]

Any more clips of bagua sword work? Any two person SWORD sets? Any fundamental cut training?

[Rurouni Kenshi]

my favorite is those from the white crane institute,
(www.whitecraneinstitute.com)

this is another level!

[Rurouni Kenshi]

whooops, this was intend to be a reply to "bagua sword" thread

[PHILBERT]

I merged this thread with the crane thread you made by mistake.

[Doug]

Also, check these threads at www.swordforum.com for more pictures:

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...threadid=30295

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthr...threadid=31751

Doug M

[blacktaoist]

Here a Clip of an BaGua Big Dao demonstration on top of a table.



BaGua Big Dao


Peace
www.blacktaoist.com

[Doug]

The problem with this demonstration is that the sword is not real. It is a flimsy wushu toy that, I think, distracts more than educates. The real Bagua Dao is much heavier and would not move like a wushu version. What this does is give Chinese martial arts a bad image as well as give the wrong sort of education that such a demonstration would hope to achieve.

On the other hand, how many demonstrations are given with real swords? There are not many (or any), and that is very sad. Scott Rodell's DVDs (www.grtc.org) and his latest book, Chinese Swordsmanship: The Yang Family Taiji Jian Tradition, are a start in a more accurate direction. He uses an accurate wooden replica of a Qing-era jian in his DVDs but employs the real sword for pictorial demonstrations in his book.

Thank you for the link, for any link on the Internet can be helpful. But I think it says more about the state of Chinese swordsmanship when the "weapon" of choice for a public display is fake.

Doug M

[blacktaoist]

Yo I put the clip up of the demonstration for people can see the characteristics of the BaGua Big Dao form forgive me for sharing. Its not my problem if the sword real or not, It just a Form demonstration, nothing more or nothing less.


The sword and Deer Hook knives in the first clips that was posted on this forum are not real, So I don't understand the point you are trying to make. The weapons in the two clips are also WuShu made or should I say as you put it flimsy wushu toys. They sure in hell are not made for real combat.

Anyway thanks for your viewpont.

BT

[Doug]

Hi blacktaoist,

Don't take it the wrong way. I never said anything about you; I said something about the demonstration in the video clip. I thanked you for the clip. You are needlessly taking my post personally.

In your second paragraph, you say you are confused but seem to answer your own question or wonderment. The problem with "It just a Form demonstration, nothing more or nothing less" is that "the characteristics of the BaGua Big Dao form" are not representative of real use with a Bagua Dao. The real sword weighs at least five pounds, and a practitioner would not use it the way it is used as demonstrated with a wushu toy.

To say that "[i]t just a Form demonstration, nothing more or nothing less" is to devalue the demonstration itself, implying that a demonstration is not a serrious display of martial movement and skill. For some, this is true. Whenever I am given the honor to demonstrate a form for my school, though, I surely give it my all and use the more realistic weapons I have. It is never "just a demonstration." I know that not everyone has an antique, but there are modern reproductions available that are at least close to the real things. But I am not attacking the person in the form anyway; I am commenting on the use of wushu tools in general.

I think you do understand my point, but don't take it the wrong way.

Doug M