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Thread: For Those that Would Re-Write Yong Chun History

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    David,

    You are right of course! I agree 100%

    But the problem here is Hendrik has by his own doing allowed this forum to degenerate via his self-righteous self-aggrandizing spamming.

    That said, we are just as guilty by giving response to his spamming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlcox View Post
    YOU ALL HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THIS THREAD ENTIRELY

    None of you can resist the urge to boast and brag about meaningless drivel while at the same time refusing to recognize or acknowledge the elephant in the room, the very elephant you came to discuss. You're clueless and I've wasted way too much of my time with a group of self righteous cynics and hippocrites who pretend to have way more experience and knowledge than they truely hold.

    Best of luck to you, I'm out.
    Most of us don't need to ask ourselves all those questions because we haven't convinced ourselves we know Wing Chun history. Hendrik, I think, is the only one coming on here claiming to have answered it all, while dodging questions, telling blatant lies, and fabricating stories. Most people are posting to counter Hendrik's nonsense. Why the hell are you insulting everyone? Buh-bye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anerlich View Post
    Proof? All I see are pictures of two fat Asian guys with some flags.
    You missed that one was asleep..... must have been on this forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlcox View Post
    YOU ALL HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THIS THREAD ENTIRELY

    None of you can resist the urge to boast and brag about meaningless drivel while at the same time refusing to recognize or acknowledge the elephant in the room, the very elephant you came to discuss. You're clueless and I've wasted way too much of my time with a group of self righteous cynics and hippocrites who pretend to have way more experience and knowledge than they truely hold.

    Best of luck to you, I'm out.
    Oh boo hoo......... didn't the forum recognise your words of wisdom!?!

    Close the door on the way out will ya.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlcox View Post
    YOU ALL HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THIS THREAD ENTIRELY
    1. What are the origins of my line of Yongchun?
    Well, for me it's a Southern Art, and so we call it Wing Chun. My 'line' comes from Leung Jan, to Chan Wah Shun, to Yip Man to Lee Shing to my Sifu Joseph Man.

    2. Can the origin claims be substantiated by verifiable documentation?
    Well of course they can.

    3. Does the documentation coincide with the oral tradition?
    Yes.

    4. What are the fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?
    The seed.

    5. Are they hypothetical or theoretical?
    It is both theoretical and physical.

    6. What aspects of my line of Yongchun do I hold questionable?
    Not many! Maybe I would question why everybody questions Yip Mans authenticity as a true Wing Chun practitioner?

    7. Do they hold up under investigation?
    From my point of view, yes.

    8. How is my line of Yongchun comparatively to other branches?
    We are a small clan. Varied. And old.

    9. What are the similarities what are the differences?
    The name Wing Chun for starters. Quite a few differences, but mainly Lee Shing was known to learn from 'others' as well as Yip Man.

    10. Do these parallels coincide with generally accepted tradition?
    Er... Yes!??

    11. What are the accepted fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?
    Train well, train safe

    12. Do I truly understand and comprehend these concepts beyond the given explanation?
    I hope so!

    Your point is?
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    Yes, I restated this thread.
    Why?
    Well, nothing to do with the originator of this thread at all.
    This is a statement I am making right now because we have too much of this in THIS forum:
    We have too many threads that are started and then deleted because the originator didn't like the way they went.
    Guess what?
    From now on TOO BAD.
    As of right now you have to have a very good reason to delete a thread and it NOT going the way you wanted is not acceptable.
    You guys want moderation? you got it.

    I feel bad that I have to use this thread as an example but so be it.

    So, for anyone deciding to create a thread understand this:

    Don't ask questions unless you are ok with hearing answers that you don't like and disagree with.

    Tough, such is life.

    There are many threads that do NOT go in the direction hoped for by the thread creator, that is the fluid nature of discussion and debate.
    Deal with it.

    Again I apologize to Dlcox that it is this thread that I am using to make a statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    This is a statement I am making right now because we have too much of this in THIS forum:
    We have too many threads that are started and then deleted because the originator didn't like the way they went.
    Guess what?
    From now on TOO BAD.
    Good! It's disrespectful to the people who spend the time to write a response for it to just be deleted when the OP gets upset and decides to play god. In some forums, you only have a limited time in which you may edit or delete posts (several minutes). I still find the ability to edit later useful (when adding information), but the function can be abused by some to alter or delete the history of their speech or conduct. If you don't want something you've written to be forever on the internet, don't write it in the first place!

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    yongchun is not that mysterious of an art guys.

    its a mish mash bare bones style from yong chun city practiced by prostitutes and drug dealers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    yongchun is not that mysterious of an art guys.

    its a mish mash bare bones style from yong chun city practiced by prostitutes.
    So, is this the style you practice??
    Seems to fit from what I have read about you
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    Quote Originally Posted by bawang View Post
    yongchun is not that mysterious of an art guys.

    its a mish mash bare bones style from yong chun city practiced by prostitutes and drug dealers.
    You say that as if it was a bad thing.

    Northern elitist swine !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sanjuro_ronin View Post
    Yes, I restated this thread.
    Why?
    Well, nothing to do with the originator of this thread at all.
    This is a statement I am making right now because we have too much of this in THIS forum:
    We have too many threads that are started and then deleted because the originator didn't like the way they went.
    Guess what?
    From now on TOO BAD.
    As of right now you have to have a very good reason to delete a thread and it NOT going the way you wanted is not acceptable.
    You guys want moderation? you got it.

    I feel bad that I have to use this thread as an example but so be it.

    So, for anyone deciding to create a thread understand this:

    Don't ask questions unless you are ok with hearing answers that you don't like and disagree with.

    Tough, such is life.

    There are many threads that do NOT go in the direction hoped for by the thread creator, that is the fluid nature of discussion and debate.
    Deal with it.

    Again I apologize to Dlcox that it is this thread that I am using to make a statement.


    No apology necessary sanjuro_ronin.

    I didn't delete the thread because I didn't like the way it was going. I did it to show how easy it is to moderate when things start to spiral out of control. Thank you for stepping up to the plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFJ View Post
    Most of us don't need to ask ourselves all those questions because we haven't convinced ourselves we know Wing Chun history. Hendrik, I think, is the only one coming on here claiming to have answered it all, while dodging questions, telling blatant lies, and fabricating stories. Most people are posting to counter Hendrik's nonsense. Why the hell are you insulting everyone? Buh-bye!
    I do apologize for being insulting, I really have been trying to be less abrupt, but I had to be a little more aggressive and pushy if I was going to bait people into responding. I knew that if I started hitting the right nerve people would resort to name calling and mud slinging. This I knew would sooner or later catch the attention of the moderator.

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    Now that, that is resolved.
    Back on topic gentlemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneTiger108 View Post
    1. What are the origins of my line of Yongchun?
    Well, for me it's a Southern Art, and so we call it Wing Chun. My 'line' comes from Leung Jan, to Chan Wah Shun, to Yip Man to Lee Shing to my Sifu Joseph Man.

    2. Can the origin claims be substantiated by verifiable documentation?
    Well of course they can.

    3. Does the documentation coincide with the oral tradition?
    Yes.

    4. What are the fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?
    The seed.

    5. Are they hypothetical or theoretical?
    It is both theoretical and physical.

    6. What aspects of my line of Yongchun do I hold questionable?
    Not many! Maybe I would question why everybody questions Yip Mans authenticity as a true Wing Chun practitioner?

    7. Do they hold up under investigation?
    From my point of view, yes.

    8. How is my line of Yongchun comparatively to other branches?
    We are a small clan. Varied. And old.

    9. What are the similarities what are the differences?
    The name Wing Chun for starters. Quite a few differences, but mainly Lee Shing was known to learn from 'others' as well as Yip Man.

    10. Do these parallels coincide with generally accepted tradition?
    Er... Yes!??

    11. What are the accepted fundamental concepts of my line of Yongchun?
    Train well, train safe

    12. Do I truly understand and comprehend these concepts beyond the given explanation?
    I hope so!

    Your point is?

    Thank you for responding. My point is, as sanjuro_ronin pointed out earlier in the thread, how do you prove the tradition? There is no sense engaging in lineage wars when no one involved can prove their claims of origin beyond a shadow of a doubt. Grandiose claims and stories do not protect or prepare you from a violent encounter, actual training for that encounter does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
    Oh boo hoo......... didn't the forum recognise your words of wisdom!?!

    Close the door on the way out will ya.....

    Someone took notice, how this was achieved is irrelevant. Moderation is what you wanted is it not?

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