Internal training of the SLT

[stonecrusher69]

I think a lot of Wing Chunners have a very myopic view of how Wing Chun is supposed to be trained and the reasons for it.

[YouKnowWho]

by doing the SNT in a static stance with only upper body movement. ...

I don't believe in one should only move his arm without moving his body. All power generation should come from ground up, back to front. I use something similar to Tan Shou in my rhino (big fist) strategy. When I use it, I try to move my body without moving my arms. This way, when I move my body for 1 inch, my arm can move 1 foot. It's very economic way to move. Also when I do this, even if I may miss my opponent's punch with my blocking arm, my body has already moved out of his striking path.

We have

- heard, "When you have reached to the highest level, you can only see the body movement, you will not see the arm movement".
- never heard, "When you have reached to the highest level, you can only see the arm movement, you will not see the body movement".

Not all WC system freeze their low body in training.

[YouKnowWho]

Since you have brought it up; please explain to me the combat attributes trained by doing the YJKM. ... While we are at it could you explain whether Chess or the game of Go are "combat training" as well?

I don't use YJKM in "combat" so I don't devote my training time into it.

Even in the GO game, you try to force your opponent to play your game, instead of to let your opponent to force you to play his game. In other word, you always have a "plan".

[Sihing73]

I don't use YJKM in "combat" so I don't devote my training time into it.

Even in the GO game, you try to force your opponent to play your game, instead of to let your opponent to force you to play his game. In other word, you always have a "plan".

So, you do not train Wing Chun??

[YouKnowWho]

So, you do not train Wing Chun??

Do I train WC as a system? No! Do I train some WC principles? Yes!

WC is one of my cross training systems. I use double Tan Shou and center line theory to construct my rhino (big fist) strategy. I use Bong Shou to deal with hook punch in clinch. Since Fu Shou and Pak Shou already exist in my major system, it adds no addition function for me. I don't use YJKYM for my fighting stance. I like to use XingYi San Ti stance instead. Not only I like to protect my center from inside out, I also like to protect my center from outside in (I call it "double spears" strategy). If something fit in my strategies, I'll use it. If not, I'll not use it. I don't train any particular style. I train whatever that I like to use from all TCMA systems.

[YouKnowWho]

Please point me to the post where I said this was "combat training".
I specifically mention this is "internal training" but that some of the attributes could carry over to "combat".

To me, "combat training" or "internal training but that some of the attributes could carry over to combat" have the same meaning. A simple "horse stance training" can fit into both cases.

[YouKnowWho]

That is one wild-ass SLT set.

Does "snake engine" suppose to look like this? His body moves more like a snake and that's for sure.

[PalmStriker]

Yes. That is a YK427 Snake Engine with overhead cam. Have watched the vid a few times. Internal Combustion Chi Kung, definitely. http://www.franciscocasaverde.com/im.../foto2_zen.jpg

[LFJ]

I think a lot of Wing Chunners have a very myopic view of how Wing Chun is supposed to be trained and the reasons for it.

And yet, you have no explanation of how counting three breaths while extending your arm has any relation to combat or purpose in fight training...

Is it myopic for a fight training method to be related to fighting? Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. If you use it for other reasons, I think there are better things to do to those ends, and that time devoted to SNT should be focused on the actual purpose; basic combat behavior development.

[stonecrusher69]

I posted my video in another MA forum. I copied and paste what this person said..

"In SLT/SNT in the part of the 'form' where the movements are done slowly with multiple breathes what is one training/practicing?
One is learning to 'feel' and learning to mentally express 'intent'.
Feel any tension and what is causing it; feel the changes on one's center of gravity as the movements are performed and as one inhales and exhales; feel what muscles are engaging and how to release as much of it as possible without losing the proper structures. Visualization - seeing the moves and the positions and mentally expressing what is happening as you do them. SLT is not about fighting or combat it is learning about yourself.""

-Danny T

[stonecrusher69]

And yet, you have no explanation of how counting three breaths while extending your arm has any relation to combat or purpose in fight training...

Is it myopic for a fight training method to be related to fighting? Doesn't sound unreasonable to me. If you use it for other reasons, I think there are better things to do to those ends, and that time devoted to SNT should be focused on the actual purpose; basic combat behavior development.

I did in my video..I guess your not paying attention.

[stonecrusher69]

I don't believe in one should only move his arm without moving his body. All power generation should come from ground up, back to front. I use something similar to Tan Shou in my rhino (big fist) strategy. When I use it, I try to move my body without moving my arms. This way, when I move my body for 1 inch, my arm can move 1 foot. It's very economic way to move. Also when I do this, even if I may miss my opponent's punch with my blocking arm, my body has already moved out of his striking path.

We have

- heard, "When you have reached to the highest level, you can only see the body movement, you will not see the arm movement".
- never heard, "When you have reached to the highest level, you can only see the arm movement, you will not see the body movement".

Not all WC system freeze their low body in training.

You move your body similar to way Weng Chun from Andrew Hoffemans lineage does it.

[YouKnowWho]

Today when I drilled my outside crescent kicks 20 times non-stop, I started to think about whether I can use

- 3 breaths for 1 kick, or
- 3 kicks for 1 breath.

I found it's impossible to do either way. I started to think why do people always use "slow punch" for meditation. Why don't people use "fast kick" for meditation instead?

Since combat is always fast, it makes sense to train your meditation fast too. This way, you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Will it be nice that when your "fist meets your opponent's face", you can also achieve maximum "inner peace" at the same time?

I don't train meditation. Someone once said, "TCMA has 3 levels, the physical level, the mental level, and the spiritual level." After so many years of TCMA training, today I'm still in my "physical level".

[YouKnowWho]

You move your body similar to way Weng Chun from Andrew Hoffemans lineage does it.

That wasn't me but I wish I could do as good as he did.

[LFJ]

I did in my video..I guess your not paying attention.

Watched it again, and no, you didn't.

You just said the reason it is done slowly is in part to regulate the breath, which you called the hei-gung part, but you didn't relate it to fighting or explain what purpose is served in fight training by counting three breaths while slowly extending or retracting the arm.