Internal training of the SLT

[Sihing73]

[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1277176] I started to think why do people always use "slow punch" for meditation. Why don't people use "fast kick" for meditation instead?

Since combat is always fast, it makes sense to train your meditation fast too. This way, you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone. /QUOTE]

Maybe because if you can do something slowly you can also do it quickly but the reverse is not true.
By doing something slow one can really concentrate and develop the movements, techniques and concepts. Not as easy when doing something fast
Then again, it all depends on the level you wish to achieve.

[YouKnowWho]

Maybe because if you can do something slowly you can also do it quickly but the reverse is not true.
By doing something slow one can really concentrate and develop the movements, techniques and concepts. Not as easy when doing something fast
Then again, it all depends on the level you wish to achieve.

I

- agree that to do a slow side kick is much harder than to do a fast side kick because there is more balance requirement.
- disagree that to do a slow punch is much harder than to do a fast punch.

When you punch slow, it's very easy for you to concentrate on

- compress and release,
- hand coordinate with foot, elbow coordinate with knee, shoulder coordinate with hip.

When you punch fast, since you only have a small amount of time, everything will become ten times more difficult. For example, when you throw 4 punches in 1 second, which punch should you coordinate with your foot, knee, hip? It starts to get into a very complicate issue.

- If we assume that "slow punch" is the beginner level training, do we still need to train slow if we have passed that level?
- When are we going to stop "slow training" and move on to "fast training"?
- Should we still train "slow punch" when we are 80 years old if combat is our major concern?

[Sihing73]

I
- disagree that to do a slow punch is much harder than to do a fast punch.
Should we still train "slow punch" when we are 80 years old if combat is our major concern?

I think we will need to agree to disagree, nothing wrong with having different perspectives.

When I am 80 I hope to not have to worry about combat. Hopefully I will have trained my children and grand children so they can protect me
Then again, as I live in a more rural area, I hope to have a pack of dogs, preferably some type of wolf hybrid or similar type that can also take care of any of my combat needs.

[T.D.O]

The SLT is actually is very simple not very complicated.

wasn't hard to do... nor did it feel like a waste of time to me (not that i thought you were saying other wise) and was very happy with the result.

In fighting you need movement,breathing and mental focus.SLT trains that..

mmm.... i think intense partner training does that better, i've seen people who thought they were invincible nearly colapse like an accordion when someones shouted loudly in their face, something like "i'll fxxkin kill you!" and these people like a fight lol (not in class)

i remeber the 1st time my sifu done it to me (in class), i thought we were really going to go at it lol but it was just part of his training...

[anerlich]

Should we still train "slow punch" when we are 80 years old if combat is our major concern?

Judging from my relatives, I think I'll be more concerned with ensuring my medication comes in the correct doses than with combat. Seriously, I think I'll be trying to maximize health and well-being at that age rather than preparing for violent assaults. The CDC says that death is several thousand times more likely to come from lifestyle-related diseases than from a violent attack, and this it would seem prudent to prioritize one's training accordingly.

mmm.... i think intense partner training does that better, i've seen people who thought they were invincible nearly colapse like an accordion when someones shouted loudly in their face, something like "i'll fxxkin kill you!" and these people like a fight lol (not in class)

i remeber the 1st time my sifu done it to me (in class), i thought we were really going to go at it lol but it was just part of his training...

I don't see that so much as "mental focus" as acclimation to adrenal dump and threat. Then again, "mental focus" is not exactly a rigorous definition of anything.
"Mental focus" in the context we are discussing it probably means an ability to concentrate one's attention/intention ... and the "interview" training might help to do that under sudden stress/distraction.

Anyone that trains or competes against resisting partners/opponents usually loses notions of invincibility pretty quickly. If they really think they are the beez kneez, then they need to train with better partners.

[stonecrusher69]

[QUOTE=Sihing73;1277181]

I started to think why do people always use "slow punch" for meditation. Why don't people use "fast kick" for meditation instead?

Since combat is always fast, it makes sense to train your meditation fast too. This way, you can kill 2 birds with 1 stone. /QUOTE]

Maybe because if you can do something slowly you can also do it quickly but the reverse is not true.
By doing something slow one can really concentrate and develop the movements, techniques and concepts. Not as easy when doing something fast
Then again, it all depends on the level you wish to achieve.

Its mind training,not movement training. movement training is drilling like pak sao.the form is to control your breathing and mind. To emtpy your mind.

[LFJ]

Its mind training,not movement training. movement training is drilling like pak sao.the form is to control your breathing and mind. To emtpy your mind.

Why move then? Simple seated meditation with breath observation would better serve that purpose. In my system, if you do the form with an empty mind then your movements would be empty too, without purpose.

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=stonecrusher69;1277266]

Its mind training,not movement training. movement training is drilling like pak sao.the form is to control your breathing and mind. To emtpy your mind.

------------------------- sounds vague

[Vajramusti]

Why move then? Simple seated meditation with breath observation would better serve that purpose. In my system, if you do the form with an empty mind then your movements would be empty too, without purpose.

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Not replying. Legitimately curious- for any conversation purposes.
I know you are in China- are you Chinese?

Who is your wing chun sifu and how long did you study wing chun with him?

My identity is fairly clear cut-but if needed, I can elaborate.

[YouKnowWho]

Its mind training,not movement training. movement training is drilling like pak sao.the form is to control your breathing and mind. To emtpy your mind.

Why can't you meditate when you throw 200 punches on your heavy bag as fast you can and as hard as you can? Why do we have to define "meditation = slow move"?

The idea of "empty mind" is against the idea of "意气力(Yi Qi Li) - mind control breath, breath control force".

[YouKnowWho]

if you do the form with an empty mind then your movements would be empty too, without purpose.

This is why a traffic cop may direct traffic all his life, he will never become a MA guy. When he directs traffic and moves his arms, he didn't have "MA intend - mind".

[stonecrusher69]

wasn't hard to do... nor did it feel like a waste of time to me (not that i thought you were saying other wise) and was very happy with the result.



mmm.... i think intense partner training does that better, i've seen people who thought they were invincible nearly colapse like an accordion when someones shouted loudly in their face, something like "i'll fxxkin kill you!" and these people like a fight lol (not in class)

i remeber the 1st time my sifu done it to me (in class), i thought we were really going to go at it lol but it was just part of his training...

I agree, SLT form training is just first step in your training. You need other things like you mentioned.

[stonecrusher69]

Why move then? Simple seated meditation with breath observation would better serve that purpose. In my system, if you do the form with an empty mind then your movements would be empty too, without purpose.

The movements are the focal point. He helps to regulate the breathing and the mental focus.

[stonecrusher69]

[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1277269]

------------------------- sounds vague

Joi for years everything you post has been vague.

[Ozzy Dave]

Gotta say, there seems to me nothing more vague than an "internal" description of a MA, why overcook things?

Dave